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Can a child be tested at level 6 when doing SATS in Year 6???

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drosophila · 05/04/2009 12:52

Someone I know suggested that his child was a level 6 when he went to secondary and yet everything I read seems to suggest that 5 is the highest level they test for.

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stillenacht · 05/04/2009 13:47

I don't care about where you think my son's level of ability is... i am sick of dealing with parents who are clueless yet have overly bright children... i guess you could call it jealousy at being handed one with severe autism and one who hasn't a clue academically

stillenacht · 05/04/2009 13:48

SATS are indeed a load of old bollox

spongebrainmaternitypants · 05/04/2009 13:49

oops, x-posted stille - totally with you btw!

muppetgirl · 05/04/2009 14:01

The first school I worked in after graduation was in 2001 and a girl did 'achieve' level 6 -8 years ago now. It was broken down into a,b,c. I was told by the deputy that level 6 was a grade 'd' in GCSE terms.

Yes she was phenomenally bright but a bit of a madam. She didn?t need philosophy just lessons on how to be nice to people and be more humble!

stillenacht · 05/04/2009 14:04

am agreeing with that last sentence there muppetgirl - quite often the way

We always thought of a level7 as a grade C at GCSE terms so i guess a level 6 would be a D/E but in actual fact for my subject NC levels bear no resemblance on GCSE grades really

muppetgirl · 05/04/2009 14:14

Yep stillenacht it didn't really mean anything apart from to the very up their own arse parents who loved braying about it. I taught her for music and she was rude, sarcastic and didn?t want to do anything she couldn't immediately succeed in. I taught her brother as a year 4 class teacher and she was evil towards him as he wasn't as bright as her, although he was bright. The parents just let her...

I suppose being intelligent on paper is one thing, but it's what you do with it that matters! How will she get on in life if she has no empathy, can't work in a team and is rude?

muppetgirl · 05/04/2009 14:15

...and that should have been it wasn't broken down into a,b,c

stillenacht · 05/04/2009 14:20

muppetgirl - you sound like my kinda lady

snorkle · 05/04/2009 15:05

Ds did year 6 SATs 4 years ago & the level 6 papers had been phased out a few years (2-3 I think) before that, so certainly no-one lower than sixth form now would have sat the official ones. That said some of the children were given some old papers at ds's school - perhaps to aid the teachers in their assesment. I know at least one child was awarded sixes in the teacher assessment and I'd be very surprised if they were the only one.

LadyGlencoraPalliser · 05/04/2009 15:41

I am rather disturbed by your comment that school is like childcare for your DS, Fluffybunny. A decent primary school should be more than capable of catering for a pupil at that level, I should think there would be several in each year group, going on the schools I know (which are not enclaves of middle-classs pushiness by any means).
Have you talked to the school about this?
Year 6 was certainly not like childcare for my DD or the three or four equally bright children in her year group.

FluffyBunnyGoneBad · 05/04/2009 19:36

I have spoken to them briefly. I know there's alot more for him to learn rather then the subjects he can do at ease, social skills are very important and he needs help with this. I spoke to his teacher last week and she said he was at the same level now as some of the bright year 6 children but I know there's more to school then maths, science and english so he does need to focus more on the other areas.

It was inappopriate for me to say his school is like childcare, I deeply appologise.

FluffyBunnyGoneBad · 05/04/2009 19:37

Please excuse my terrible spelling aswell.

examtaxi · 05/04/2009 19:41

Not all bright children are unpleasant...

stillenacht · 05/04/2009 19:44

No not the kids themselves but often the attitudes which pervade from the parents and filter to the kids

MrsBartlet · 05/04/2009 19:45

Although they don't officially do extension papers for Level 6 now, dd's school gave her and some others Y7 papers to do (at the end of Y6) to see if they could get Level 6, which she did in literacy and numeracy. They couldn't have done it for science as they wouldn't have covered the necessary material.

FluffyBunnyGoneBad · 05/04/2009 19:47

It's not just the parents of bright children who have an attitude stillenacht.

stillenacht · 05/04/2009 19:50

Oh that i know but having taught over 3,000 kids in grammar schools in the last 10 years i may have a little experience

FluffyBunnyGoneBad · 05/04/2009 19:53

Without meaning to be rude or patronise you, would you not say that you have only seen one side of the coin working in a grammar school?

examtaxi · 05/04/2009 20:08

Well - there are a group of lovely little girls here with me ATM, all of whom have recently passed the exam for the local Grammar School. Their parents are also very nice, normal people.

I hope it isn't the school you teach at stille - because I would hate to think that any teacher would have that sort of attitude.

FluffyBunnyGoneBad · 05/04/2009 20:12

There was a little girl at ds's old school, her mum would get extra work for her to do at the weekends and in the hoildays, the poor mite! She did have a bit of an attitude but I'm really not surprised to be honest. She was spoilt a tad, breakfast in bed every morning, mum did everything for her, even unpacked her school bag in the class room. I'm sure she'll rebel in a few years time.

examtaxi · 05/04/2009 20:16

But, fluffybunny, does that have anything to do with whether she is bright or otherwise?

Surely it is entirely to do with her mother's attitude and parenting??

Sorry - but I just think it is awful to generalise and state that just because a child is bright, they are likely to be stuck up/spoilt/whatever.

FluffyBunnyGoneBad · 05/04/2009 20:19

She is fairly bright but I think the pushy mum has a part to play in this aswell. I don't think it's entirely down to the parenting.

ds is very bright by the way, he's not stuck up/spoilt etc. I've seen other bright children who are down to earth.

NotanOtter · 05/04/2009 20:23

two of mine did level 6 extension papers when in yr 6 but the most recent one did not - i think they were stopped

having said that when he got to 2nd ary school they said he was working at level 7 for maths and science

makes a mockery imo

stillenacht · 05/04/2009 20:25

examtaxi - of course we should all worship the ground these little darlings walk on...most (the large majority) of my pupils are lovely kids with whom we work very hard to achieve their potential...some of them (and this is sooooo true) have a gleaned attitude from their parents that we are there to be their slaves and that they are above the level of the teachers...this is what i am talking about.

Anyway we have level 3's in English that pass the 11plus as they have been tutored ad infintum to do the non verbal, verbal and maths papers...ah what a true reflection of intelligence

popsycal · 05/04/2009 20:26

npo extension papers now
so in tests they can only get level 5
teachers can assess at level 6 but rarely done for a whole load of political reasons mainly
havent read the thread so apologies if I am repeating this

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