waldorf steiner

[heninthemidden]

hi,

anyone had good experience of waldorf steiner education system?

"...since the top neuro-physiologists of this amazing world still don't understand it. I wouldn't be that arrogant or stupid. But what I do know is that the strides they're making through peer-reviewed empirical research are more likely to enlighten us, in that important, sadly threatened post-medieval sense, than any 'imaginative' or 'spiritual' hypothesis plucked out of the 'ether' in the glare of full-on lunacy"

Isenhart7 the above is actually what she said. Did I have faith in belief that the cut and paste would work? No, tried and tested evidence told me it would.

lemontart no worries

wilderduck professed no faith or belief but rather knowledge. Your demonstrated knowledge of the cut and paste function, fe, here on Mumsnet, though perhaps superior to mine does not convey with it any right to abuse others. And that was the other part of what I said. More or less.

I think Tatiffer was just using it as an example...you have a hypothesis, you test the hypothesis, you then reject or further your theory.
A tried and tested method, which has remained the dominant paradigm for centuries now.

"you have the right to your beliefs, whatever they may be, including faith in modern science"

isenhart7 erm, I think those were your words.
It was then I who posed the question as to whether you were describing faith in modern science as a belief structure. One can have faith/trust/confidence in something without being party to a belief structure.

No, I didn't say belief structure but rather belief. If you believe that everything will be fine when Tom Hanks flips the switch on the LHC this June you're welcome to that belief as far as I'm concerned. If you do not hold any such belief but are confident or trust that everything will be okay you are welcome to be/do so. But you don't know, I don't know-no one knows.

isenhart You must be joking now right??? Of course nobody ever knows for sure what will happen next, but there are many precedents through which we tend to make pretty accurate predictions. It is not a belief!!! It is an accepted dominant paradigm.

MANATTEE- I think the model of reality for anthroposophists has a starting point which defies logic

northern "MANATTEE- I think the model of reality for anthroposophists has a starting point which defies logic"

I do believe the evidence suggests you're right

Barking "delightful" - I don't want to take issue with you but do we have any evidence to support your theory?

I'm glad to see Isenhart's so rattled. All that desperate cutting and pasting and wriggling, and sulking. And for why? She has no interest in us anyway, as she's said. She should leave us to our stupidity.

I'm always greatly amused by the Polecat. He cuts through all the wool. Can't follow that!

Lemontart: I have good memories of kindergarten too. I think the young teacher was managing to ignore most of the anthro teaching, I know her own children are happy in state nurseries now! What was striking though was that far from some quiet, contemplative space the whole thing was noisy as a bear-pit, with huge installations of chairs, tables etc and a week-long 'battle of the gnomes'. Huge fun. People told me she 'wasn't really very anthroposophical'. How lucky we were.

Those people who pursue Steiner education on the basis of a benign beginning can end up with Very Angry Teenagers. No one wants their worst critic ever furious at having to wait years for a place at the local community college, now she's realized her parents have ballsed-up her chances at what the teenagers here call 'mad school'.

I think we may get some more evidence presently...

wilderduck do you know something we don't? Is there a big black car and a man in a suit outside your door as we speak?

Tatti - No, it is the Archangel Micha-el and his troop of dancing eurythmists. Very Isodore Duncan.
Sorry, I do sometimes think this stuff would make a Jesuit blush.

wilderduck ho ho ho!

I'm considering getting back back in touch with my aryan roots by submerging myself in the bath (with mystical lush products) and pretending I'm back in atlantis. Will this work?

No I'm not joking-you can make all the predictions you want and you can have the belief that they will pan out-you can have confidence based on your past experience or trust in your own or another's skills or you can accept the dominant paradigm as true-whatever you choose to call it. Probably you call it thought. I called it a belief and I apologize if you find that offensive.

And this starting point is what, northernrefugee39?

1. No
2. No
3. No

" ...or another's skills"

I honestly fail to understand how anyone can trust in another's skills (vis a vis child education) if that "another" either in the form of an individual or an institution has not been honest, transparent and forthcoming...

Tattifer - how are you? No ms today I hope? The only thing ever worked for me was birth. Lush is mystical, yes and it may well transport you back to make-believe Atlantis, or Mt Olympus wrapped in clouds to eat of ambrosia if you have a wild and wonderful imagination, which I'm sure you do. Enjoy yourself.

Isenhart -I don't think anyone is offended by the definition of the scientific method as 'belief'. Amused, maybe. Anyway if we were: no one has the right not to be offended when challenged in this way so you needn't apologize.

I didn't define the scientific method as a 'belief' or belief.

Good.

I have set up a group on fb as a result of this thread, it would be nice if people joined and said lots of lovely things to each other... etc...

join this Facebook group!

Manatee - in another context it would be great to get to know you all off-thread. Not with these 'seekers after spiritual truth' hanging over our shoulders. Take care now

Manatee, I'm with wilerduck on this one... I've been followed around the net enough as it is, received personal emails with mention of my dc's, had posts with axemen addressed to me, been called Hamas, terrorist, Jew watch....been accused of not being a bona fide parent, or a caring one.... Goodness knows what else said, for my dc's sake, I've had to block access to various things...

While this shows the perpatrators up in a bad light, after the crazy emails, I felt really scared. The same person, apparently, posted stuff about demons, 666, forked tails , torure, children.....these people are bonkers.

Isenhart - Ah lets see, just a few trifling "truths" such as the reality of reincarnation and karma, the existance of "spirit worlds" that everyone has the ability to reach and communicate with, the belief that humans didn't evolve from animals, but were spiritual beings on other planets who came to lemuria and atlantis, where "root races" developped...some races being "lower" than others, that demons called Ahriman and Lucifer are real, ditto gnomes, sylphs nature spirits, that people with learning difficulties, dyslexia, ahdd, haven't "incarnated properly", that diseases are a sign of something in a past life, that we are in the age of St Michael, whose devoted follower's task is to guide the children towards their next incarnation....there are more... but hey, that'll do for now...