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Jason Arday, Cambridge Plagiarist, thread two

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Angeruish · 08/08/2026 20:39

We are nearing our 1000-post limit on the original thread:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/education/5561878-jason-arday-cambridge-plagiarist?reply=153910946

I have now removed the question mark after "plagiarist".

I can't believe the sequel will be as good as the original, but you never know...

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Supersimkin7 · 19/08/2026 05:49

The testimony to his teaching website linked above is heartbreaking. He did so much good.

Supersimkin7 · 19/08/2026 05:51

I’m livid with Cambridge.

SevenYellowHammers · 19/08/2026 08:07

This is all so tasteless. Aren’t there threads for mnetters who like picking scabs and squeezing boils? Can’t you all go there instead if you’re unable to leave things alone?

MeetMeOnTheCorner · 19/08/2026 08:36

@N0tAnAcadem1c Sorry no. But she wrote about the issues a while ago and has followed up with an article about whether she should feel guilt as a journalist. She went through the issues and came to many of the conclusions that have been mentioned in this thread.

borntobequiet · 19/08/2026 08:46

SevenYellowHammers · 19/08/2026 08:07

This is all so tasteless. Aren’t there threads for mnetters who like picking scabs and squeezing boils? Can’t you all go there instead if you’re unable to leave things alone?

Here you are, you can go and be disapproving there.

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Sheeshbee · 19/08/2026 08:47

I’ve seen one of Arday’s lectures on YouTube today. It was 100% offensive race baiting gibberish, the kind of thing imported wholesale from America.

“Whiteness has compromised STEM”.

It’s staggering that this bullshit passes anywhere without heckling, let alone in a place of academic excellence.

mids2019 · 19/08/2026 08:49

This was obviously a fair story for journalism about an elite university and lack of standards which was definitely in the public interest. The university could have handled it so much better though.

There needs to commentary I think to rationally counteract a mentality on the left which has conflated racism with what is a recruitment failure on many levels whose ultimate victim was Jason. The story has also highlighted how a culture of DEI positive action can exist even if not explicitly stated. If Cambriage were desperate for black academics and basically didn't do due diligence on its own recruitment what is happening at a student admission level? How much pressure is applied to admissions staff to admit black students and are they willing to compromise on standards.....effectively contextualise on ethnicity?

mids2019 · 19/08/2026 08:54

Sheeshbee · 19/08/2026 08:47

I’ve seen one of Arday’s lectures on YouTube today. It was 100% offensive race baiting gibberish, the kind of thing imported wholesale from America.

“Whiteness has compromised STEM”.

It’s staggering that this bullshit passes anywhere without heckling, let alone in a place of academic excellence.

Is there a point when anti racism becomes a form of racism in itself? Jason told a student of his who was struggling because of his poor quality teaching that she suffered from 'white privelege'. Surely that is a form of racism?

Jason seems to be an advocate for an ideology thinly veiled as academia and that was part of the problem.

MissyGirlie · 19/08/2026 08:56

YourAmplePlumPoster · 19/08/2026 07:56

Statement from the Committee for Academic Freedom.https://x.com/ComAcFreedom/status/2089698863087055204?s=20

Every now and again Diane Abbot reminds me why I dislike her so much. She's calling someone a racist with zero evidence of racist intent on their part, because it suits her narrative, but it gives actual racists an excuse to shout about the 'race card' being played.

And @SevenYellowHammers this whole story does really matter. There is a huge issue in academia with shoddy peer review etc (take a look at the Retraction Watch website) and this story, with a plagiarising fabulist shot to fame, has brought it into the public arena. As I said upthread, I'd like to see the panel that appointed him investigated, and beyond that, someone needs to take a close look at where and how and at what standard PhDs are awarded.

If this all.dies down or gets deflected because of the undoubted tragedy of Jason Arday's suicide, the stage remains set for a repeat in a few years time and meanwhile public trust in academia will continue to decline.

That public trust matters, and having academia in a healthy state matters, because academic advances underpin modern life.

It's not just about one man, and it's not about racism, either.

AnonyMumAuDHD · 19/08/2026 08:57

SylvanMoon · 19/08/2026 08:53

There's a very good New Statesman article, unfortunately behind a paywall by Pratinav Anil. https://www.newstatesman.com/cover-story/2026/08/the-fall-of-jason-arday

You can read it if you copy and paste into removepaywall.com

actually it still seems to only show the first 2 paras there too.

Sorry - was trying to be helpful!!

mids2019 · 19/08/2026 08:57

Also Cambridge was an elite establishment throughout periods of history where there was quite obvious racial injustice e.g. the transatlantic slave trade (Newton had shares in a slaving company) so has institutional guilt played a part in all of this?

mids2019 · 19/08/2026 08:59

MissyGirlie · 19/08/2026 08:56

Every now and again Diane Abbot reminds me why I dislike her so much. She's calling someone a racist with zero evidence of racist intent on their part, because it suits her narrative, but it gives actual racists an excuse to shout about the 'race card' being played.

And @SevenYellowHammers this whole story does really matter. There is a huge issue in academia with shoddy peer review etc (take a look at the Retraction Watch website) and this story, with a plagiarising fabulist shot to fame, has brought it into the public arena. As I said upthread, I'd like to see the panel that appointed him investigated, and beyond that, someone needs to take a close look at where and how and at what standard PhDs are awarded.

If this all.dies down or gets deflected because of the undoubted tragedy of Jason Arday's suicide, the stage remains set for a repeat in a few years time and meanwhile public trust in academia will continue to decline.

That public trust matters, and having academia in a healthy state matters, because academic advances underpin modern life.

It's not just about one man, and it's not about racism, either.

Good post. There is a wider debate here.

prh47bridge · 19/08/2026 09:16

mids2019 · 19/08/2026 08:49

This was obviously a fair story for journalism about an elite university and lack of standards which was definitely in the public interest. The university could have handled it so much better though.

There needs to commentary I think to rationally counteract a mentality on the left which has conflated racism with what is a recruitment failure on many levels whose ultimate victim was Jason. The story has also highlighted how a culture of DEI positive action can exist even if not explicitly stated. If Cambriage were desperate for black academics and basically didn't do due diligence on its own recruitment what is happening at a student admission level? How much pressure is applied to admissions staff to admit black students and are they willing to compromise on standards.....effectively contextualise on ethnicity?

Making admissions and recruitment fair is not simple.

For example, state school pupils are underrepresented at Oxbridge. What should be done about that?

At one extreme, you could argue that Oxbridge should not do anything. However, we know that some state school pupils do not apply to Oxbridge because they think it is "not for the likes of us" - a view sadly perpetuated by some schools. Oxbridge may therefore be missing out on some very able pupils who don't apply. We also know that independent school pupils have some built-in advantages - smaller class sizes and being better prepared for the Oxbridge interview process. This means that an independent school pupil is more likely to be admitted than a state school pupil of similar ability. Indeed, we know that currently an independent school pupil is more likely to be admitted than a state school pupil with identical grades. So doing nothing perpetuates a system that results in independent school pupils getting places ahead of more able state school pupils.

At the other extreme, you could set targets and say that you must admit x% of state school pupils. That is just as bad in my view, and leads to state school pupils getting places ahead of more able independent school pupils.

The goal should be to find a system that is fair to both state school and independent school pupils. Part of that is changing the image so that state school pupils realise Oxbridge can be for them, but it also involves finding ways of removing or countering any bias towards independent school pupils in those making admissions decisions, and ensuring the process identifies the most able candidates regardless of background.

In the above applies whether you are looking at admissions or recruitment for paid roles, and whatever communities you want to look at (male/female, ethnic minorities and so on).

Unfortunately, there are a lot of places where DEI is done badly and recruitment/admissions is governed to a greater or lesser extent by quotas. That is not the right way to do it, but it doesn't mean we should abandon DEI completely. The goal is ensuring equality of opportunity, not enforcing equality of outcome. If equality of opportunity leads to equality of outcome, great, but it must not be forced.

SylvanMoon · 19/08/2026 09:27

SylvanMoon · 19/08/2026 08:53

There's a very good New Statesman article, unfortunately behind a paywall by Pratinav Anil. https://www.newstatesman.com/cover-story/2026/08/the-fall-of-jason-arday

Here's C&P of the article:

The fall of Jason Arday
Pratinav Anil
14 August 2026
New Statesman

It is some irony that in a Protestant country which professes to have no truck with saints, we remain stubbornly hagiographical in temperament, elevating exemplary figures and saddling them with a symbolic freight, only to recoil when they crumble under it. This habit of mind, and its inevitable flare-ups, reveals something fundamental about the contemporary state of the country. And this includes the Jason Arday affair, which is so much more than the story of a fallen academic – or, as Arday once referred to himself, of a modern “Icarus”. It is, in a more interesting sense, an English story: a parable of our national institutions and national temperament, our credulity and our cruelty.

Arday’s own biography, as it was narrated in interviews and now in his new memoir, Great and Unfortunate Things, due to come out this month, functioned for a time as a fable of self-cultivation. Born into a Ghanaian family in a council house in 1980s Clapham, he describes a childhood shaped by autism. He recalls going years without speaking, not learning to read until his late teens, and being treated by doctors who regarded his prospects with profound pessimism.

What follows takes us on to the familiar ground of the classic Bildung, a tradition running from Victorian self-help manuals to such modern descendants as Tara Westover’s Educated, in which preliminary hardship gives on to great things. Arday’s first education came courtesy of his mother, Giff, a woman of unusual theoretical seriousness who proved decisive in his intellectual formation. Before he could read, he tells us, she filled the family home with the writings of Angela Davis, bell hooks and Audre Lorde, reciting their aphorisms in a sort of household liturgy. Although the written word remained beyond his grasp, the rudiments of a sociological imagination had already begun to take shape.

Having left school with two GCSEs, in physical education and textiles, Arday entered higher education conspicuously late before eventually completing a doctorate in education at Liverpool John Moores University. His thesis, “An Exploration of Peer-Mentoring Among Student Teachers to Inform Reflective Practice Within the Context of Action Research”, was a desultory, workaday work, which argued that reciprocal mentoring among trainee teachers fostered more reflective professional practice than traditional hierarchical models. Put differently, peers often prove better teachers than superiors. Curiously, the memoir is taken up almost entirely with the struggle to obtain a PhD, with the thesis itself being given short shrift. One of its many scenes of studied poignancy recounts the young Arday, aged 18, asking his mentor, the sports lecturer Sandro Sandri, the childlike question, “What’s a PhD?”

From there, Arday’s public life expanded into what might now be called a portfolio career. Traditional scholarship was accompanied by an ever-growing catalogue of civic endeavours: charity fundraising through endurance running, educational advocacy, work with the campaign group the Black Curriculum, an appearance as an Olympic torchbearer, and a dependable presence on the radio and literary festival circuit. The memoir pushes the mythopoeic narrative even further, recounting a violent assault in early adulthood, a brain tumour during his doctoral studies and charitable work installing water pumps in Brazilian favelas.

It was on the strength of this accumulated biography, rather than his scholarship stricto sensu, that Arday, aged 37, was appointed professor of sociology of education at Cambridge in 2023, becoming the youngest black professor in the university’s history. Beyond the ivory tower, his profile continued to rise. His agent secured an advance of “1.4 million” – whether sterling or dollars remains oddly unclear – for his memoir after a ferociously contested pre-empt. By then, Arday – black, autistic, working class, the son of immigrants – was something of a totemic figure. His life seemed proof that, given enough determination and enlightened institutional support, even the hardest start could be overcome.

Thereafter, it all unravelled. The early questions concerned plagiarism in his doctoral thesis. They soon spread to his published work, replete with disputed quotations and “impossible” participant data. His curriculum vitae fell victim next. Visiting professorships at Glasgow and Ohio State University, not to mention an honorary appointment at Durham, were challenged by the institutions concerned. Later, it transpired that his Palgrave monograph, Being Young, Black and Male: Challenging the Dominant Discourse, which kept turning up on lists of his publications, was in fact never published. His lofty brags about marathon feats and charity millions were toned down. WaterAiddisputed his claim that he had installed water points overseas on its behalf. Taken together, these revelations chipped away at Arday’s carefully crafted image as a late-blooming philanthropist public intellectual. Not long afterwards, he resigned from Cambridge.

The hard right, long convinced that enforced diversity was ruining higher education, could barely hide its satisfaction. The story was energetically taken up by the tabloid press in a strikingly anachronistic display of its power to name and shame. Here, seemingly, was the perfect allegory of national decline: one of the two ancient citadels of British learning had lowered its drawbridge to a jumped-up intruder who turned out to be an imposter. For conservatives, the affair confirmed what they had been saying all along: that universities had disingenuously come to treat lived experience as a kind of epistemic authority in its own right, often at the expense of more mundane measures of scholarly standing. It was no accident that the first person to bring Arday’s academic record to wider public attention was the eugenically inclined philosopher Nathan Cofnas, who sets great store by what he calls “race realism”.

A rather pretzelled defence was mounted by some progressives, though to little avail. One version held that Arday was an interloper, and that the establishment had finally closed ranks to keep him, and his sort, out. The UK, on this account, remains a peculiarly closed society, its elite institutions guarded by invisible sentries of pedigree. But this does not quite ring true. As Perry Anderson observed in the pages of the New Left Review some 60 years ago, Britain’s governing class has, in fact, proved remarkably adept at incorporating outsiders. Indeed, few national elites have proved so porous; all the better to entrench itself through multiple historical periods.

Time and again, Britain has preferred absorption to exclusion. The story is familiar enough: from the émigrés of Mitteleuropa, who found a place at the heart of British intellectual and cultural life in the mid-century – Nikolaus Pevsner, Friedrich Hayek, Lucian Freud – to the ease with which individual black and brown Britons have risen to the highest levels of politics, from Rishi Sunak and Nadhim Zahawi to Kwasi Kwarteng. Arday’s ascent likewise sits awkwardly beside the popular image of impenetrable institutions. His progress through higher education was extraordinarily rapid. Publishers, broadcasters, universities and agents competed for his attention. Far from being put off by his unconventional background, they were drawn to it.

A second progressive refrain holds that people from minority backgrounds are picked over endlessly, and that Arday was subjected to this treatment in its most extreme form. This, too, is hard to square with what actually transpired. Arday’s frictionless rise suggests that very few of his claims, academic or otherwise, were ever seriously questioned. Quite remarkably, they were accepted at face value until the very end. Again and again, the scepticism you might expect from academics simply failed to emerge. If there is a lesson here, it is that British institutions can be oddly naive when the story in front of them is one they badly want to believe.

A more persuasive response came from within Cambridge itself. Priyamvada Gopal and a number of Arday’s colleagues shifted attention away from his lies and fantasies towards the institution that had raised him up. They called for an independent inquiry into how a scholar at such an early stage of his career had ended up in one of Cambridge’s most prestigious chairs, and questioned why the university had been so keen to hold up his appointment as proof of its own broad-mindedness. They also saw something that Arday’s board of electors apparently did not: that the inevitable backlash would fall upon black academics tout court; that they would be left carrying the can for an institutional failure not of their making. Nor would the damage stop there. It would spread to Britain’s already battered universities, which are already struggling with job cuts, shaky finances and growing public distrust.

The deeper failure, undoubtedly, lies in the transmutation of the modern university into that curious hybrid: part research institution, part property developer, part international corporation, part media brand. It speaks the language of metrics, rankings and, above all, “impact”. The successful academic is now unmoored from the anchoritic ideal of old. They are, by turns, a broadcaster, event organiser and inveterate email correspondent – and, in Arday’s case, a fundraiser, campaigner and moral exemplar besides. The old compact between teachers and students has given way to an altogether more ramshackle affair of sprawling bureaucracies, speculative property portfolios, ever-expanding managerial hierarchies and a small caste of superstar academics whose public personas often matter rather more than their scholarly oeuvres.

Technological change has played a part. The professor of journalism Jeff Jarvis has argued that the age of print created what he calls, after Lars Ole Sauerberg, the “Gutenberg parenthesis”: a civilisation in which intellectual authority was conferred through institutions devoted to publication, criticism and the gradual accumulation of reputation. The university was among the chief custodians of those conventions. Our post-print age rewards rather different qualities. Universities have come to compete for personalities as much as ideas. Their staff lists now include broadcasters, public intellectuals and actors alongside career scholars – for example, Angelina Jolie at the LSE, Brian Cox at Manchester and Alice Roberts at Birmingham. Celebrity trumps authority. The Arday affair, then, is a singularly vivid symptom of a wider cultural transformation.

Two more developments have enabled the Arday scandal. The first is the uncritical importation of American intellectual fashions into British institutional life. Diversity, equity and inclusion programmes have arrived together with assumptions about race that sit uneasily with recent British history. This is not to deny the persistence of racism. Britain has never been innocent of it. But neither has it been America. Race has undoubtedly mattered here; but class has counted for more. These days, the median hourly pay gap between black and white workers in Britain is about 6 per cent, compared with roughly 22 per cent in the US. Young black Britons are likewise substantially more likely than their white British peers to enter higher education and, on average, outlive them.

The Arday affair illustrates the perils of ignoring these British peculiarities. In an institutional culture anxious to advertise its emancipated worldview, routine scepticism can easily come to be mistaken for racial prejudice. The upshot is a paternalistic impulse that sits uncomfortably close to what George W Bush once called “the soft bigotry of low expectations”. The human rights lawyer Jacqueline McKenzie’s well-intentioned intervention – “Not sure many of us can write a PhD even with copied paragraphs” – captured the problem perfectly. To be sure, undertaking a doctorate might be a difficult enterprise for some people. Scholarly sprezzatura is unevenly distributed. But the question at hand is whether the ordinary standards of scholarship should apply to everyone without fear or favour. To say otherwise is to mistake solidarity with condescension.

A second, related shift has been the retreat of the left. As organised labour declined and the unions lost their clout, identity politics moved into the space they left behind. The aim was no longer to close the gap between classes, let alone do away with class altogether. Instead, Britain learned to celebrate the exceptional stories of those few who had managed to escape the circumstances of their birth. The exceptional life, after a fashion, became a political programme. As the commentator Ash Sarkar argues in her 2025 book Minority Rule, the language of collective solidarity gradually gave way to an exhausting contest over symbolic injury, an Olympics of victimhood in which representation came to matter more than material politics. Institutions found it easier to put different faces in their prospectuses and professorial chairs than to tackle the harder questions of wealth and educational inequality. Arday’s appointment, therefore, came to mean far more than an ordinarily academic appointment. It was made to stand for race and autism, social mobility and reparative justice.

This is where the real injustice lies. Outstanding black British scholars, whose achievements need no embellishment, will now have to work under a cloud of suspicion they did nothing to create. At the same time, the conservative iconoclasm unleashed by the Arday affair risks doing wider damage to British universities, which remain one of the country’s great sources of soft power and export earnings. For generations, our universities have punched well above the UK’s shrinking geopolitical weight, drawing ambitious minds from around the world. Whether they can keep doing so will depend on their willingness to defend time-honoured standards.

What’s more, the fallout will not stop at the university gates. Every perfectly avoidable institutional failure gives fresh ammunition to those who already distrust higher education in particular and public institutions in general. Rather as the Cambridge Five became a permanent byword for the fallibility of the British establishment, the Arday affair seems destined to outlive the particulars of the case. It will be remembered not simply as an academic scandal but as an emblem of the defining neuroses of our age.

Pratinav Anil is a historian at the University of Oxford. His most recent book is Another India: The Making of the World’s Largest Muslim Minority, 1947-77 (Penguin)

mids2019 · 19/08/2026 09:34

prh47bridge · 19/08/2026 09:16

Making admissions and recruitment fair is not simple.

For example, state school pupils are underrepresented at Oxbridge. What should be done about that?

At one extreme, you could argue that Oxbridge should not do anything. However, we know that some state school pupils do not apply to Oxbridge because they think it is "not for the likes of us" - a view sadly perpetuated by some schools. Oxbridge may therefore be missing out on some very able pupils who don't apply. We also know that independent school pupils have some built-in advantages - smaller class sizes and being better prepared for the Oxbridge interview process. This means that an independent school pupil is more likely to be admitted than a state school pupil of similar ability. Indeed, we know that currently an independent school pupil is more likely to be admitted than a state school pupil with identical grades. So doing nothing perpetuates a system that results in independent school pupils getting places ahead of more able state school pupils.

At the other extreme, you could set targets and say that you must admit x% of state school pupils. That is just as bad in my view, and leads to state school pupils getting places ahead of more able independent school pupils.

The goal should be to find a system that is fair to both state school and independent school pupils. Part of that is changing the image so that state school pupils realise Oxbridge can be for them, but it also involves finding ways of removing or countering any bias towards independent school pupils in those making admissions decisions, and ensuring the process identifies the most able candidates regardless of background.

In the above applies whether you are looking at admissions or recruitment for paid roles, and whatever communities you want to look at (male/female, ethnic minorities and so on).

Unfortunately, there are a lot of places where DEI is done badly and recruitment/admissions is governed to a greater or lesser extent by quotas. That is not the right way to do it, but it doesn't mean we should abandon DEI completely. The goal is ensuring equality of opportunity, not enforcing equality of outcome. If equality of opportunity leads to equality of outcome, great, but it must not be forced.

Edited

If we have black males on average getting worse grades than white males at school this is a societal problem that should be addressed by schools and society at large. What we can't do is to blame universities of that means there is a relatively small proportion of black people at unviersity. It may be that universities (especially elite ones) are applying a fair admissions system with quite exacting standards and it may be the case that the ethnic make up of the undergraduate body is quite natural.

you can do outreach work and encourage people of differing ethnicities to apply to Cambridge which is great but ultimately outreach can't change student A level results unfortunately. This is where you get frustration by those who advocate DEI as if lecturing people about diversity of encouraging those of colour to apply to university does not lead to change in the demographics of the student body positive action seem to be the only way forward for them.

Cambridge isn't Bridgerton with some sort of obligation for the student body to be as diverse as possible with a possible over representation of black people to somehow atone for the fact that there have been some pretty racist periods in British history. Equal opportunity does not necessarily mean equal outcome.

Escapefrom1984 · 19/08/2026 09:42

prh47bridge · 19/08/2026 09:16

Making admissions and recruitment fair is not simple.

For example, state school pupils are underrepresented at Oxbridge. What should be done about that?

At one extreme, you could argue that Oxbridge should not do anything. However, we know that some state school pupils do not apply to Oxbridge because they think it is "not for the likes of us" - a view sadly perpetuated by some schools. Oxbridge may therefore be missing out on some very able pupils who don't apply. We also know that independent school pupils have some built-in advantages - smaller class sizes and being better prepared for the Oxbridge interview process. This means that an independent school pupil is more likely to be admitted than a state school pupil of similar ability. Indeed, we know that currently an independent school pupil is more likely to be admitted than a state school pupil with identical grades. So doing nothing perpetuates a system that results in independent school pupils getting places ahead of more able state school pupils.

At the other extreme, you could set targets and say that you must admit x% of state school pupils. That is just as bad in my view, and leads to state school pupils getting places ahead of more able independent school pupils.

The goal should be to find a system that is fair to both state school and independent school pupils. Part of that is changing the image so that state school pupils realise Oxbridge can be for them, but it also involves finding ways of removing or countering any bias towards independent school pupils in those making admissions decisions, and ensuring the process identifies the most able candidates regardless of background.

In the above applies whether you are looking at admissions or recruitment for paid roles, and whatever communities you want to look at (male/female, ethnic minorities and so on).

Unfortunately, there are a lot of places where DEI is done badly and recruitment/admissions is governed to a greater or lesser extent by quotas. That is not the right way to do it, but it doesn't mean we should abandon DEI completely. The goal is ensuring equality of opportunity, not enforcing equality of outcome. If equality of opportunity leads to equality of outcome, great, but it must not be forced.

Edited

What is the evidence for this claim: “we know that currently an independent school pupil is more likely to be admitted than a state school pupil with identical grades”?

I’m not saying it’s wrong, but I haven’t seen this in the admissions stats which are published. (It shows % of applicants and offers by sector but not grades.)

We do know that applicants from both sectors with grades well in excess of the offer grades are rejected every year

unlike Oxford, Cambridge colleges can and do make offers in excess of the standard offers to pupils, for example 4 A stars in STEM. It is not common but it does happen. They do not though make offers lower than their standard offers to anyone.

prh47bridge · 19/08/2026 09:54

Escapefrom1984 · 19/08/2026 09:42

What is the evidence for this claim: “we know that currently an independent school pupil is more likely to be admitted than a state school pupil with identical grades”?

I’m not saying it’s wrong, but I haven’t seen this in the admissions stats which are published. (It shows % of applicants and offers by sector but not grades.)

We do know that applicants from both sectors with grades well in excess of the offer grades are rejected every year

unlike Oxford, Cambridge colleges can and do make offers in excess of the standard offers to pupils, for example 4 A stars in STEM. It is not common but it does happen. They do not though make offers lower than their standard offers to anyone.

This isn't just an Oxbridge phenomenon. It appears to happen more widely. There are a number of studies that show this. See for example this study by UCL which shows that lower attaining pupils from independent schools get into higher ranked courses than similarly qualified state school students. This particular study concluded that this was driven largely but not entirely by independent school pupils aiming higher when applying for university places. Other studies are available.

mids2019 · 19/08/2026 09:56

One thing I would like to know is how many other Cambridge professors passed just 2 GCSEs ? Are there that many? Why does Cambridge expect it's students to get exemplary GCSE or A level grades yet will appoint teachers of those students with much poorer qualifications?

how many careers advisers out there in schools are advising pupils without passes in English and Maths that a Cambridge chair is within their grasp?

KnottyAuty · 19/08/2026 09:59

SevenYellowHammers · 19/08/2026 08:07

This is all so tasteless. Aren’t there threads for mnetters who like picking scabs and squeezing boils? Can’t you all go there instead if you’re unable to leave things alone?

I think this surely had to fall into the category of “lest we should forget”?

if we don’t learn lessons how can this be avoided again?

I have started watching the vigil and will finish it later but I’ve found it unsettling so far.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lPHGREJFG40&pp=ygURSmFzb24gYXJkYXkgdmlnaWzSBwkJagKjtWo3m0M%3D

The speakers at the start are just talking about race and ignoring other issues. Those needn’t be brought up but could at least be alluded to. It’s a real worry - how can we combat racism if we can’t talk about which parts of the story might have been racism or not? Labelling the whole episode as racism isnt going to help anyone - isnt that how some of this mess got started in the first place?

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SevenYellowHammers · 19/08/2026 10:03

KnottyAuty · 19/08/2026 09:59

I think this surely had to fall into the category of “lest we should forget”?

if we don’t learn lessons how can this be avoided again?

I have started watching the vigil and will finish it later but I’ve found it unsettling so far.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lPHGREJFG40&pp=ygURSmFzb24gYXJkYXkgdmlnaWzSBwkJagKjtWo3m0M%3D

The speakers at the start are just talking about race and ignoring other issues. Those needn’t be brought up but could at least be alluded to. It’s a real worry - how can we combat racism if we can’t talk about which parts of the story might have been racism or not? Labelling the whole episode as racism isnt going to help anyone - isnt that how some of this mess got started in the first place?

Human beings have an incredible ability NOT to learn from their mistakes.

MissyGirlie · 19/08/2026 10:18

SevenYellowHammers · 19/08/2026 10:03

Human beings have an incredible ability NOT to learn from their mistakes.

Yes, and not talking about this episode will ensure that absolutely is learned from it.

Aluna · 19/08/2026 10:21

SevenYellowHammers · 19/08/2026 08:07

This is all so tasteless. Aren’t there threads for mnetters who like picking scabs and squeezing boils? Can’t you all go there instead if you’re unable to leave things alone?

Right. You’d think they’d stop kicking once he’d killed himself. The aim of bullying is generally to destroy a person. Having succeeded at that, a few seem determined to stick around to kick a corpse.

MissyGirlie · 19/08/2026 10:31

Aluna · 19/08/2026 10:21

Right. You’d think they’d stop kicking once he’d killed himself. The aim of bullying is generally to destroy a person. Having succeeded at that, a few seem determined to stick around to kick a corpse.

Many of us are not kicking him. We're kicking the system that enabled him.
It needs a root and branch review.

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