perm exclusion

[annonynous12]

hi my daughter has been permanently excluded and the la have to provide alternative education there is one pru in our town and they have rang saying that she has to attend this one
i was just wondering if i have to accept this place or could i apply for another school

You can EHE. Personally, I wouldn’t.

The LA’s offer has to be suitable. If you don’t think it is, you can raise this with the LA. Although what you think is suitable, what the LA thinks is suitable and what the law deems is suitable may not be the same.

You could apply for another school. However, the school may if they believe DD may display challenging behaviour and they have higher higher proportion of pupils with challenging behaviour or who have previously been permanently excluded compared to other local schools and the school believes that admitting another DC with challenging behaviour would prejudice the efficient education or efficient use of resources.

You can request an EHCNA. On IPSEA’s website, they have a model letter you can use.

Depending on the circumstances, you might want to challenge the permanent exclusion.

Be aware if you EHE, you will be responsible for funding and arranging exams. You would need to find an exam centre accepting private candidates for the specific exams DD wants to do. It can be harder to find a centre if DD needs certain access arrangements too - and for next summer some centres will already be booked up for certain EAA. Some GCSE subjects are easier to do than others. For some subjects, most private candidates do IGCSEs.

If diagnosed anxiety then ask about placement or support for children with health issues. Which may or may not be the pru .

Then you should contact IPSEA or SOSSEN and ask about making a needs assessment request. The PRU could help with this as well. This link should help What should I do if my child is excluded? | (IPSEA) Independent Provider of Special Education Advice

@flawlessflipper i did say that i dont think it is suitable to the la and they just said she has to attend and i am looking into the school appeal

Then, if it is genuinely not suitable, you should go back to the LA to explain further and press them to provide a suitable offer. However, as I said, your definition of suitable, that of the LA, and the law may not align.

I was a Chair of governors for 10+ years.
You're wasting your time appealing.
She threatened a terrorist act.
Concentrate on what will help your dd.
PRUs get a bad rap - they can be life changing.
She needs to at least try.
If she will not attend, then you absolutely can deregister her and EHE, but that means the LA have no statutory duty.
EHE can work really well for some kids, but they need to actually be educated, not just sat at home doing nothing.
That's why trying the PRU, then potentially asking the LA for EOTAS might work for your dd.

I would fight the permanent exclusion tooth and nail here. If she moves school in her GCSE year her chances of getting any qualifications are tiny. Different schools use different exam boards so even if she’s great in one subject in year 10, that topic won’t be on the exam if she takes it at another school.

request an independent SEN advisor attend the perm ex meeting. Given her behaviour and anxieties you might just scrape through.

This is very poor advice.
Ops dd threatened a terrorist act. I imagine the police and PREVENT are involved?
Sadly, sendiass and ipsea will always tell you to appeal, even when you have no chance - and I used to be a sendiass advisor in the 2010s!
I'd also suggest that a school that has - allegedly - caused such distress to ops dd isn't the correct provision.

i wondered if it was the same poster who’s dd made a bomb threat. What happened to that thread? There was some very good information.

the pru have said that the la has named them as my daughters school and an admissions meeting arranged does that mean i cant go for eotas

If the PRU genuinely isn’t suitable, you need to go back to the LA. Other forms of AP are possible. For a proper EOTAS/EOTIS package under section 61 of the Children and Families Act 2014, you would need an EHCP and to show it is inappropriate for provision to take place in a school.

Did you not post earlier about her being excluded for a bomb threat? This has all escalated quickly and as said on the previous thread you need to attend the panel meeting as the exclusion may not be legal.....

Unless her 'one mistake' was assaulting a teacher or arson ** I think it's highly unlikely she's an angel and her perm ex comes as any surprise, especially if she knows kids in a PRU well enough 'to have issues with'.

Highly unlikely a new school will accept her. She needs to try the PRU and you both need to engage with any and all support offered.

** ETA Fuck me, a bomb threat? So, plenty going on then, that's lead her to this then? Not surprised she's been permanently excluded!

If it's the same OP the reasons the exclusion was shaky was because she was suspended in June and then recently permanently excluded due to more evidence which is exceptional circumstances for allowing a permanent exclusion if the evidence isn't much more the exclusion shouldn't be upheld.

However, my theory was the child had done something else leading to an exclusion. Her daughter also won't engage with CAHMS

I also thought about the bomb threat thread but I can't find it now – has it been deleted?

@annonynous12's posting style is not the same as the Op on that thread tho? Agree you need to go to the meeting; but depending what your DD has done to be excluded, the PRU may well be a good solution.

For many, it is can’t engage rather than won’t and they need a different approach. This is where an EHCP can help because that can provide provision that isn’t typically available via the NHS.

@MotherOfRatios they have sent all the info there is no new evidence so im not sure

So you've finally got the pex pack? If there's no new evidence as you say you need to be going to the panel and explaining a suspension can't be converted into an exclusion