Private school pupils banned from work experience in hospitals

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“Pupils who want to be doctors 'barred' from vital work experience at NHS hospitals - because they go to private school”

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15007121/amp/doctors-work-experience-NHS-hospitals-private-school.html

This will be extended to all civil service jobs.
Bridgitte Philipson is a nasty bully. What next, private school pupils to sit on certain sections on buses? I cannot wait until the next general election, this shower need a wipeout.

In academic day schools there are plenty of parents who are not rich, and also some of the students at these schools will be on bursaries.

I would rather have the best person for the job wherever they happened to go to school.

Why? Genuinely curious. We are averagely middle class but come from working class stock (doesn’t get much more working class than grandparents working down pit) . My children go private but don’t hang with anyone rich and famous. We live a pretty boring, average life. Why would my children not make good doctors? Even if we lived rich, privileged and exciting lives, why would it mean they wouldn’t make good doctors?

But without removing barriers ‘the best person for the job’ is more likely to come from a private school. Because their parents can buy confidence and ability.

In academic day schools there are plenty of parents who are not rich, and also some of the students at these schools will be on bursaries.

Depends on the school. You can over 100k and get a discount at some schools and many don't take into account house value. My cousin earns under 50k but is mortgage free on an expensive flat and gets a hefty bursary for my niece.

sorry 2nd cousin (is that the term?)

Thank you for clarifying, that makes sense.

So how does it work then, this policy? If an applicant has to say which school they’re at, do fee-paying school pupils go to the bottom of the list?

If that’s how it works it doesn’t seem wrong for the Mail to say ‘banned’.

Anyway, of course it will make no difference at all. Poorer grades = no place at med school. That’s it.

I don’t think l said they wouldn’t make good doctors.

But other people would also make good doctors. And may not have parents rich enough to buy privileges. So why should they not have the chance too? It just makes a smaller pool of privately educated doctors which is no bad thing.

Medicine has traditionally been a place of private school.

I’m sure both state and private are capable of being doctors. But state is less able due to social barriers.

True but I think these pushes to level the playing field and ensure more state and disadvantaged pupils have opportunities will mean there is a better chance of ‘the best person for the job’

How can a parent buy ability? Surely it is innate.

I sent my children state primary and secondary private- does this mean they lacked confidence until the age of 11 but suddenly this changed after this point? Intrigued that my role has nothing to do with this.

Right but private schools are generally academically selective so it would make sense they were over represented in fields that require a high level of academic ability.

So basically it's about broadening opportunities for children who wouldn't normally have them.

Absolutely, so people can calm down.

Agree thanks for clarifying. Although that'll likely be disappointing to the OP and others who were so gleeful at the thought of teens being disappointed and blocked from attending things because of their parents choices.

Right but private schools are generally academically selective so it would make sense they were over represented in fields that require a high level of academic ability.

Many aren't selective and many aren't highly selective....

But the people who go into medicine are most likely to come from the ones that are.

It will make no difference! I managed work experience for 38 schools, including 3 independents and 2 leading grammar schools. Hospitals have set programmes and private placements, offered by relatives / friends. Guess who uses what option!

They ‘buy ability’ by sending dc to private school. Small classes, individual attention, lots of support.

I taught in a state school for 25 years. We had classes of 32. No support staff for the last 10 years. The private school down the road had classes of 12-15, and lots of support staff.

Thos is how you buy ability.

These schemes don’t give opportunities, except in the sense that they might inspire one-in-a-hundred thousand clever children who are strangely unaware of the people called ‘doctors’ They give a few days out to young people who aren’t interested and wouldn’t make the cut even if they were interested.

It’s all a gimmick.

We need more doctors. I couldn't give a toss if they are privileged as long as they are competent.

What an excellent policy to ensure we lose all of our best new drs overseas…honestly the thinking skills of this government are so low it is terrifying.

Well the pool is wider in the non privileged group……

What privilege? All I see is cost.

Well, not just government, but a lot of their electorate, as this thread demonstrates. Some on here are retired teachers.

MN can be very anti-success at times. Even if you’ve earnt your way and now have a ‘rich’ background, you’re in the wrong.