Private school pupils banned from work experience in hospitals

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“Pupils who want to be doctors 'barred' from vital work experience at NHS hospitals - because they go to private school”

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15007121/amp/doctors-work-experience-NHS-hospitals-private-school.html

This will be extended to all civil service jobs.
Bridgitte Philipson is a nasty bully. What next, private school pupils to sit on certain sections on buses? I cannot wait until the next general election, this shower need a wipeout.

Ooh no no no @Absentmindedsmile remember people who want to 'ban' children from getting the relevant work experience to apply for their uni courses are the good guys moral, caring....🙄

So you wouldn't refuse them, as long as they were benefiting you, but you'd resent them for their background?

Resent? No I don’t resent. It is what is.

l can’t just wipe out all the people from private school in whatever jobs they are in, and neither would l want to.

But going foward l’d like to see change.

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@ArseInTheCoOpWindow Sorry you don’t like what you see when I held a mirror up to your hypocrisy.

🥱can’t you find something better to do?

All children should be encouraged into jobs where they add value, whatever their background. Typically children from wealthy backgrounds becoming doctors are those who want to give back to society, the good eggs. It is hardly private equity/trading/M&A territory, get rich quickly. This thread is ridiculous.

But why? What are the private school children doing in medicine that is so bad? Surely regardless, we want the best doctors whatever their background? If it runs out that means most are privately educated then why is that a bad thing?

Yes it is discrimination, but it is perfectly legal discrimination.

@Drfosters I used to work for the NHS in Oxford, so the medical students and junior doctors were Oxford students or grads.

Some of them had no idea of life in the real world. Like not understanding why a single parent had brought her children to an appointment in the summer holiday because, "Well where is the nanny?"

I'm not saying they have not gone on to become brilliant doctors, I don't know but they lacked a huge amount of real life.

Sorry if I’ve upset you. It’s not always nice to see the truth.

So what? What relevance doctor's knowledge of childcare has?
Did they become brilliant doctors? isn't it all that matters?

Do you want your doctor know fine details about drug dealing and stabbings or do you want them to know how to treat wounds?

Patient experience is just as important. You need people who can relate to the people that they’re treating so they don’t discriminate.

Children at independent schools don't live in a bubble you know. They live in the real world and have the same experiences as everyone else eg bereavement, illnesses, robbery, SA etc.

Ah so all rich people discriminate. Thanks for that. Good to know. I'll make sure to remove all empathy/compassion/understanding, I've ever had for anyone from now on.

This will just mean fewer doctors to be honest.

Except, a huge proportion of the UK are not highly educated people. To become a Doctor, you are going to be bright, clever, well spoken, driven etc.

Even if you take out doctors from PS, the majority of Doctors are going to be coming from middle and high income families because it is going to be those children who are going to be encouraged and supported in education by their more often than not, educated parents.

You can stop PS children accessing these things, but the children who will be accessing them, will be practically the same kind of children.

That sort of person could be weeded out before they even start training but they are very very rare. No one I know is like that at all- none of my friends at school were like that and certainly none of my children and their friends are like that.

I guess it's coming from obsolete preconception that doctors are very wealthy.

Yes it used to be a well paid profession, usually kids in PS etc, it's not anymore. Only consultants command really high rates, otherwise you can get much higher package in Finance, IT, Law at much earlier stage of your career, with option of WFH and without responsibility for human life.

The problem I have with these ‘levelling up’ ideas is that they are so black and white and in many cases target easy groups like private school students. If you’re really going to tackle this then find out if applicants family members are doctors/consultants and look at the school they went to. Presumably all the grammar school kids (who have been tutored and pushed) from mc families will be included in the state school stats! What a joke! I hope what happens is that ps students take their skills and pay their tax elsewhere. Who would stay in this country when all Labour want do is level down.

That's what's happening already.

You take London top public schools - Kings, SPS, Westminster, etc, a very significant proportion (about 40%?? IIRC , don't remember where I read it) don't even bother applying for UK unis anymore. They do US roadshow after GCSE and go there after A levels.
Again, with Trump we might have a temp respite because US is a horror at present, but it won't be like this forever.

Many people will say "shout the door behind you", but we're talking about top IQ driven kids there, so it is a huge loss

Yep and I'm pointing DD to Ivy League Vs UK universities.

I know what you’re saying about the US but I just cannot encourage my kids to go there.

A place where the leading cause of death for people under 17 is death by firearms .. A place where in many states people can open carry guns.

A place where the leading cause of death for pregnant women is homicide.

So Trump or not, it’s a no from me. I can’t stop them if that’s what they decide, but hopefully they’ll stay in Europe (any country in Europe) and add to the brain bank here.

I can genuinely say, having visited over 30 states in the last 25 years, I have never seen a single gun. I wouldn’t have any issues with my child going to uni there (except I’d want them to come back and I’d be worried they wouldn’t!)

Same but there’s always a first time and those are the statistics.

Also the not coming back thing. Europe, I can imagine that might be an adventure. The US, gorgeous geography in parts, and really friendly kind people, but..

But the leading cause of death among young people in the States is guns. Fair enough that you’ve never seen a gun (seriously? I have, lots, open carry is a thing) but that doesn’t mean it’s not a cause of concern.

Are you trying to say they are stuck here? they aren't