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Education taxers in family/close friends

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JamesDad2 · 12/01/2025 17:37

Do any parents with DC at private school have education taxers in their family (or close friends)?

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JamesDad2 · 12/01/2025 23:18

WearyAuldWumman · 12/01/2025 23:14

From an educational point of view, people who pay for a private education are not necessarily getting what they think they're paying for.

My experience at uni was that those who dropped out of certain courses after first year tended to be private school boys and girls who couldn't cope without spoon feeding.

Years later, I'm aware that parents at some of the private schools in Edinburgh are having to pay for top-up tuition (often from teachers whose main post is in a state school) in order to get their children through certain exams.

They'd have been better off sending their children to a state school and paying extra for tuition (if required) and extra-curriculars.

That was also true with some people I grew up with, I always expected the ps educated children to be such high flyers so was surprised when some ended up doing HND courses at non red brick unis. Now I’m older with kids of my own, I realise it’s about the best option for the child.

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BananaNirvana · 12/01/2025 23:19

JamesDad2 · 12/01/2025 23:07

I’d put people who want to tax education in the bracket of uneducated, which was also the general trend with Brexit voters. Couple that with the fact that Brexit actually made education tax possible then I think it’s a reasonable assumption.

Wow. You couldn’t be more wrong - I think the Venn diagram between Remainers and those who think private schools should be taxed is huge. It’s not a tax on education. 🙄

WearyAuldWumman · 12/01/2025 23:21

WearyAuldWumman · 12/01/2025 23:17

Only private school fees have been made vatable, thus far - so far as I'm aware.

I've just checked. The charitable status for independent schools in Scotland was removed in 2022.

JamesDad2 · 12/01/2025 23:26

PinkFrogss · 12/01/2025 23:08

Do you think everyone with a different viewpoint to your own is uneducated?

People who are educated and value education, wouldn’t want to limit education options through taxation.
The only reason I can think of for doing it, is to limit those educated outside of the state control. I think people have been duped and quite easily at that.

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Kittiwakeup · 12/01/2025 23:26

PinkFrogss · 12/01/2025 22:47

There was me thinking surely after the many threads in 2024 the subject on MN must surely be exhausted and no one has anything new to add.

And yet here you are with “education taxer”, the best one yet. Thank you for the laugh and creativity OP

This is hilarious. It's got me humming 'Education Taxer' to the Prodigy's Fire Starter tune.

TheaBrandt · 12/01/2025 23:30

Think the 93% majority who don’t use private schools are largely pretty indifferent on this. Certainly feelings aren’t strong enough to warrant a whole new category! You sound abit bonkers tbh.

BarbaraHoward · 12/01/2025 23:30

JamesDad2 · 12/01/2025 23:26

People who are educated and value education, wouldn’t want to limit education options through taxation.
The only reason I can think of for doing it, is to limit those educated outside of the state control. I think people have been duped and quite easily at that.

People who are educated and value education would want as level a playing field as possible, so that the education children receive bears no relation to their parents' wealth.

JamesDad2 · 12/01/2025 23:31

BananaNirvana · 12/01/2025 23:19

Wow. You couldn’t be more wrong - I think the Venn diagram between Remainers and those who think private schools should be taxed is huge. It’s not a tax on education. 🙄

It’s literally a tax on education between the ages of 4 and 19. It’s not a tax on private schools in any way, it’s on the children (well fee payers). How can you support something so damaging to children without knowing the basics of the policy?

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JimmyGrimble · 12/01/2025 23:34

JamesDad2 · 12/01/2025 21:49

Come on, you’ve got to admit you can imagine a Brexit voter insisting that ‘education is a luxury’ and ‘the great British state can give you all the education you ever need’. That’s before you even take into account education taxes being illegal for EU member states so Brexit is what made this policy possible.

Brilliant! It’s only been 8 and a half years but we’ve finally found something good about Brexit …

Saschka · 12/01/2025 23:35

JamesDad2 · 12/01/2025 21:49

Come on, you’ve got to admit you can imagine a Brexit voter insisting that ‘education is a luxury’ and ‘the great British state can give you all the education you ever need’. That’s before you even take into account education taxes being illegal for EU member states so Brexit is what made this policy possible.

Do you think Nigel Farage, old Alleynian, is in favour of VAT on anything at all? Wasn’t the supposed point of Brexit to cut taxes and regulations on businesses?

JamesDad2 · 12/01/2025 23:38

WearyAuldWumman · 12/01/2025 23:17

Only private school fees have been made vatable, thus far - so far as I'm aware.

Well yes, how would state school parents be charged VAT? It also includes any wrap around care as well, if considered educational, which includes basically anything short of just sitting in a room. Wouldn’t want to let those six year olds off with tax free learning after school now would we.

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JamesDad2 · 12/01/2025 23:44

Saschka · 12/01/2025 23:35

Do you think Nigel Farage, old Alleynian, is in favour of VAT on anything at all? Wasn’t the supposed point of Brexit to cut taxes and regulations on businesses?

No I don’t, he’s been quite clear he’s against education taxes (as have the leaders of every other major party ) and I suspect he’s going to have a big influence on policies within the next 5 years thanks to Labour’s spiteful and incompetent policies. Nether the less, it’s Brexit that made education taxes possible.

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JamesDad2 · 12/01/2025 23:51

BarbaraHoward · 12/01/2025 23:30

People who are educated and value education would want as level a playing field as possible, so that the education children receive bears no relation to their parents' wealth.

Labour closed most the grammar schools some years ago and Phillipson is aiming to finish the job with her education decolonisation project.

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BarbaraHoward · 12/01/2025 23:52

JamesDad2 · 12/01/2025 23:51

Labour closed most the grammar schools some years ago and Phillipson is aiming to finish the job with her education decolonisation project.

Still waiting for your reason for starting the thread. Definitely not just stirring on a reliable topic, so what's going on?

tortoise18 · 13/01/2025 00:02

JamesDad2 · 12/01/2025 23:51

Labour closed most the grammar schools some years ago and Phillipson is aiming to finish the job with her education decolonisation project.

Her what?

Kittiwakeup · 13/01/2025 00:06

Decolonisation project!!! The comments become more batshit as the threads go on.

JamesDad2 · 13/01/2025 00:07

WearyAuldWumman · 12/01/2025 23:21

I've just checked. The charitable status for independent schools in Scotland was removed in 2022.

Thanks, but it’s irrelevant to the education tax policy. Removing the charitable status was attempted by Labour in England and Wales, but was seen off by legal action. Interestingly by the same QC who is now leading the legal action against labour on behalf of the ISC.

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Ketzele · 13/01/2025 00:28

Your reasoning lacks rigour, OP.

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WearyAuldWumman · 13/01/2025 01:40

JamesDad2 · 12/01/2025 23:38

Well yes, how would state school parents be charged VAT? It also includes any wrap around care as well, if considered educational, which includes basically anything short of just sitting in a room. Wouldn’t want to let those six year olds off with tax free learning after school now would we.

Tax free learning after school is often available in the state system.

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PinkFrogss · 13/01/2025 08:05

JamesDad2 · 12/01/2025 23:26

People who are educated and value education, wouldn’t want to limit education options through taxation.
The only reason I can think of for doing it, is to limit those educated outside of the state control. I think people have been duped and quite easily at that.

But education options are already limited by what people can afford.

As you are such a great believer in not restricting private education I imagine you’re also campaigning to stop private schools charging fees or having entrance exams, therefore removing all barriers?

JamesDad2 · 13/01/2025 08:17

PinkFrogss · 13/01/2025 08:05

But education options are already limited by what people can afford.

As you are such a great believer in not restricting private education I imagine you’re also campaigning to stop private schools charging fees or having entrance exams, therefore removing all barriers?

There is a campaign for education vouchers, meaning EVERY child gets the £7k state funding and parents can then top it up as they see fit along the lines of Ireland’s system or tax rebates similar to Italy and Spain. That would certainly open it up, I’m sure the education taxers would say it’s unfair in some way though 🤷‍♂️

Schools do still need to be funded so fees are necessary and I am completely in favour of selective entrance, so I wouldn’t be campaigning for that.

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yorktown · 13/01/2025 08:23

EarlyRiserLate · 12/01/2025 21:06

Yes!! I do

Completely fits the stereotype (i.e. brexiter, low income earner) so it wasn’t entirely unexpected. As another poster pointed out, just don’t discuss the subject. It’s a short term thing with the legal action and/or Labour being voted out, so not worth losing family/friends over in the long term even if they are a bit ignorant.

The Tories were the party that brought in brexit. It surprises me that you think that they would support VAT on private schools. Do you think they would have brought in a similar policy if they had been elected?

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