VAT on school fees (you have to read this!)

[EverythingAllatOnceAllTheTime]

Government’s private schools VAT raid ‘could cost taxpayer £1.8bn’

Parents who are forced out of sector are likely to work less or even quit jobs, according to think tank research.

Adam Smith Institute.

And maybe it's because there actually isn't space in state schools for the children whose parents now can't afford fees. As people have warned all along.

Maybe the other things we've warned about will also happen.

Oh dear.

But what are they going to push for exactly? If a child has Sen then I agree the more pushy you are you are more likely to get support. However this thread would, have us believe that all kids moving from private schools to state are going to beat all other state school children at the 11 plus even if the state school children have tutoring. State school teachers are assessed on how well pupils do in sats and other assessments it would make no sense for them to start giving all their time to the brightest children in the class. Also I think a lot of pushy parents are in for a shock if they are too pushy the school will tell them to do one

If there’s any biting in the ‘ass’ as you put it - I suspect it’s the government’s ‘ass’ getting mauled.

WFA cuts, PS VAT, and whatever other hair-brained plans this bunch of half-wits intend to spring on us on the 30th October.

No brainer Rayner has been struggling to defend the WFA cuts, and the gobby lass has been uncharacteristically silent re the single occupancy council tax discount.

Oh dear, what a shame, never mind…

She's exactly the sort we need in the government. We don't need any more privately educated MPs who are out of touch with the rest of the population. We've had decades of them.

The government should be representative of society.

People do stupid things. What's worrying is the insight this would give into the thinking of council employees.

If it's true. I agree that it's hard to believe.

If there’s any biting in the ‘ass’ as you put it - I suspect it’s the government’s ‘ass’ getting mauled.

You keep saying stuff like this but who is mauling them over this? the people who care about this is a very small number. Even smaller is the number of people who think it's a bad idea.

Outside of your bubble, it's a popular policy.

The budget is about finance, it’s about economics, it’s about mathematics.

Rayner is as thick as mince. She has no commercial experience or acumen, and is simply a diversity hire premised on making some dodgy life choices, and then
being over-promoted, courtesy of her relationship with the unions.

If she is representative of society, then we really are doomed.

“She's exactly the sort we need in the government. We don't need any more privately educated MPs who are out of touch with the rest of the population. We've had decades of them.

The government should be representative of society.“

I am not sure how a bunch who have largely been to Oxford like Reeves and Starmer for his Masters is in any way representative of modern day Britain? They are even more out of touch.

I'd rather her than you.

Can you hear that?

It’s the sound of more and more people realising what a terrible mistake they’ve made voting this lot in.

You will not have to wait long.

I do not for one minute believe that Starmer ever believed in this policy. It must be a deal with the devil he did with the likes of Momentum and the pro comprehensive at all costs idealists.

Great comeback.

Well done.

I'm sure it does feel that way if you get your news from the torygraph.

It wasn't a comeback. Its just the truth.

Let me guess, you take the FT, Bloomberg, the Economist and the WSJ…

@EverythingAllatOnceAllTheTime you are so deeply offensive about Angela Rayner you undermine every logical argument you might have.

'No brainer Rayner' 'gobby lass' 'questionable life choices'

You are coming across as more hysterical in every post.

I try really hard not to rise to it because I know that's what you want but I call out misogyny when I see it.

But yes, we're all just jealous of you and she's just 'a diversity hire'

University Education is different. A child going to a state school will have had to work harder to get into Oxford than a PS child, that's what you're all paying your money for after all. So that doesn't make them out of touch, it just makes them the very top of their cohort.

@EverythingAllatOnceAllTheTime - it's happening again. You get out of your depth and start hurling insults around.

It’s not a new thing. I’ve seen it happen with Sen where kids don’t have a school place and parents are asked for bank statements and told to use dla to pay for tutors rather than the la providing a full time education. In both cases it is wrong as every child should be entitled to a school place paid by the state regardless of income.

i dont think it’s helped that a number of campaigns pre election were encouraging private school parents to apply for a state school place whether they were going to take it up or not to disrupt the system. Bucks la prob don’t believe some of the applications are genuine which then effects the genuine ones

Good grief this is all getting batshit!

Of course the LA shouldn't be asking for evidence that a parents can't afford school fees. They just need evidence that notice has been given to the private school. If a term's notice is required then there's nothing to be done anyway for now, no LA is going to accept applications for a child who won't start at the school offered pretty quickly.

I agree with the posters saying ultimately this isn't a huge issue, not in the scheme of things, it's only 7% of kids who are go to private schools, 93% don't!

they don’t give them a place, say they are on waiting lists and tell the parents to carry on home educating

You are incredibly disparaging about a female politician who has smashed through the glass ceiling despite the snobbery and derision dealt out by people like you. Rayner is the deputy PM with power to make decisions and deliver policy in the UK & she’s not just whinging on Mumsnet like you!

But isn’t that because they have no obligation to find a place while the child still has a place, once the child leaves independent and is out of school completely with no place they are obligated to find a place. So the letter is saying they’ll start the process early if you can prove you can’t afford but in reality they have no obligation to do this for anyone until they have no place

Please, spare me the script from Rocky.

Rayner has been over-promoted. She’s a liability on legs. You should be very afraid she has such authority - it has not been earned, and she is hugely out of her depth.

@Morph22010

Yes but the LA should not be asking about finance, it should just be a case of the child has left the school, or is leaving really imminently, like next week, and is ready to take up a maintained school place. An LA won't process an application for a child who doesn't need a place imminently.

If it's true that some people who are against the VAT- exempt status being removed really have tried to make state school applications just as some sort of protest, without intending to take them up, then they're bloody idiots.

@EverythingAllatOnceAllTheTime Could you provide any evidence for your opinions of Rayner?