If you’re charged VAT will you remove your child from their private school? I’m v stressed!

[Liikklu]

We won’t be able to pay the increase. Only hope is asking grandparents for the shortfall which we don’t want to do. Anyone else in a similar boat? Do you think it will literally be a 20% increase on fees or will schools absorb some of it? Our school has said they will address the matter ‘if and when’ it applies.

Nobody is angry at higher earners, people are not particularly impressed at some posters not recognising their privilege. High earning and working hard are not always directly related, and neither is overall wealth.

It makes me wonder what other horrors Labour have up their sleeve, that we are yet to hear about - as any party willing to use such an unethical tactic that is so harmful to small children will have no qualms, this might be just the beginning...

A slow and painful descent into communism and a lost age needs to be avoided at all costs.

cantkeepawayforever
Neither in 2013 nor in 2023 (latest data) is the school an outlier

Of course the school is an outlier in London.

If you actually read my posts you wouldn't be making such assumptions.
Stop trying to make yourself look better by twisting what has been written.

Well, investing more in private, as has been suggested by some, will only increase the gap between privileged and not so privileged.

Thanks, that’s really useful context. It’s interesting how a school whose data is, in fact, extremely average - except for its very high %EAL - on a national scale can be seen and written up very differently because of its local surroundings.

Sure, I'll just go and interact with my teen who is currently doing last minute look over for today's exam......

That’s the whole point, the taxpayers are spared the cost of paying for private schools, hence the tax break as an acknowledgment that most parents are paying TWICE in fact.

Labour's 2019 manifesto wanted to give all foreign residents the right to vote in UK general elections - despite UK citizens not having that right in other countries so you could be right.

It’s your posts that are giving that impression

You can answer directly with yes or no to moving dc with SEN from private to state

A slow and painful descent into communism and a lost age needs to be avoided at all costs.

Bravo! You win the prize for most ridiculous post and you’ve had strong competition. Bravo!

Someone having a different opinion isn't 'tearing down', meanwhile what you are attempting to do, well, that might well be tearing down.

Yes, that and lowering the voting age to 16. They have had 14 years to plan this.

It will be very interesting to see how this plays out.

In my area the current yrs 7, 8,9 and 10 were huge bulge years in terms od state places.

If some of the private school children leave not sure there are state places to take them at present. I guess they will have to increase class sizes, they have a duty to educate after all.

For some parents who are working and pay the fees from salary (i.e not banked wealth) the amount they earn over £100k (which is effectively taxed at 60% for £25k and then 45%) is the additional money they need for the school fees.

I can forsee some parents thinking sod it, go state stick the money in the pension pot and not pay the marginal rate of tax.

Other parents will stop spending on other items such as going out for meals, clothes etc. so the govt. might get a few hundred a month more in VAT but it will hurt the economy in other areas.

Other parents will move house and push the prices up near the best state schools. £2k a month per child goes a long way on mortgage.

Others will find god.

Unless Labour are going to scrap faith schools and introduce a lottery system for state allocations the system will be still be unfair, but hang on that won't win votes...

Agree! So many schools are either actually unsafe for kids - regular assaults going unaddressed by SLT - or feels unsafe for kids with the result that the children suffer anxiety/ school refusal. Such a massive issue. Totally unaddressed.

There is no policy yet. There are no details on what the policy will be. We have no idea how it will be applied as Labour haven't published their manifesto yet.

It's estimated that 3% of private school pupils will be affected if the full 20% VAT is applied to fee's, so around 16,000 children across the entire country. or a 0.16% increase in state school numbers.

The cheapest private High school school near me (I do realise I am in an area with a surprisingly high number of private schools) charges £24k a year. None of them give anything meaningful back to the local community, and none give scholarships or bursaries for more than 20% off so they're not even helping "the poor".

We’re already in a lost age. Caused by Toryism.

Did I say that?

I think I’m alerting pp that the far left duffers haven’t gone anywhere, they are keeping quiet and biding their time.

Labours idea of levelling up us getting a monstrous bulldozer and flattening anything of value.

An absolutely mental thread.

I can see why private school parents are invested in this. Obviously no one wants to pay 20% for something.

I cannot fathom why everyone else is so invested. I can guarantee you this will not solve a single problem you imagine it will. This VAT money will just drip drip disappear into a vast disparate ocean.

No, it's not the whole point.

I am working today. On a tea break. Someone has got to pay the tax. Thankfully, it means I won’t be sat on MN all day tearing people down. Then when I spend tomorrow with my children - I’ll have my wages to spend on a nice day out

It is very amusing that some people desperately try to convince themselves that all us Labour supporters posting during the day are layabouts who don't pay income tax.

I have been a taxpayer for the past 42 years and will be a taxpayer until I die.

Just under 70% of our local Grammar go there from Private. It's an awful school where the only important factor is exam results. But bragging rights are much better than the local comp.

I live in Starmer's constituency and the secondary school that his children go to is certainly not exclusive or particularly middle class. A huge number of families in the area send their children to private schools so those that go to the local comprehensive tend to be from the council estates or socially deprived areas. There are a couple of girls secondary schools that are very sought after by the middle classes, but Starmer's children do not go to these.

As you’ve seen OP, there’s a lot of spite and envy around this topic.

Thankfully it isn’t worry. We’ll absorb the additional expense of the VAT by cutting some of the hours we employ our cleaner and gardeners and also, stopping supermarket food bank donations. The money will go to the government to piss up the wall, but sadly it won’t wash through the economy by being paid to other working people paying tax.

Our prep school is discussing removing bursaries so all places are paid in full, as well as offering the use of facilities for full market rate, rather than free to local schools and colleges. So I’m expecting fees to stall, rather than increase steadily.

We will also apply for grammar school for secondary, which wasn’t originally something we’d considered. To save £70k net per year on fees would be joyful 😂

It’s a poorly conceived policy that ensures the UK continues the race to the bottom it’s so keen to achieve 🤷🏼‍♀️