Girl put in isolation for wearing Asda skirt

[ZebraDanios]

Remember the girl who got put in isolation for wearing Vivienne Westwood shoes and everyone said quite right, uniform is there to foster equality?

This girl got put in isolation for wearing a skirt from Asda rather than the (considerably more expensive) school supplier.

It looked so much like the “accepted” skirt that a teacher had to actually check the label on the skirt.

I don’t even know where to start with this.

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/real-life/tearful-schoolgirl-12-put-isolation-27758306?fbclid=IwAR1xHZEDSoziQQZgABAyXwVxnVS0_5jYmsagX4dlokdaAH5V-i-H1AaT5gs_aem_AVe2g7zlmL1QO0M8PMPIoJcSpZNkCsCbzuXbAkVrfVrr35xE59pApNSSjTcKKFnbaZA#lmvuwx3o8t1y29p0e3x

"This year, teachers have been asking pupils to lift up their blouses so they can see the label in the waistband"

Sweet jesus what a pathetic excuse for a head-teacher that school must have.

Its as if HTs across the country have forgotten that the school is there to benefit the children, not the other way round.

Someone suggested FOI ing the decision-making process about uniform - they really should. Along with reminding them of the Dof E guidelines.

Absolutely ridiculous.

I always think this when people say that it‘s crucial that children obey uniform rules because it “prepares them for the world of work”. Never mind that most of them will spend several years before work at university wearing what the hell they like…

The school has broken the law, and also massively broken safeguarding (teachers putting their hands on children's bare skin, asking them to remove clothing, etc. is clearly sexually abusive).

Just sheer hatred and discrimination against working class and lower income pupils.

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anyway, as shirts are tucked in, it wouldn’t have been necessary to lift it up. Plus the labels are usually sewn into the side seam near the hem!

Where does it say the teachers so much as touched the students?

I was replying to a comment saying that everybody should wear black trousers, a white shirt and a black blazer so you couldn't tell the difference between schools, because people only like different uniforms for snobbish reasons. I was saying there are practical reasons for having different uniforms too.

I agree that there isn't a problem with having skirts from different suppliers as long as they look the same.

a) English schools and their insistence on absolutely micromanaging uniforms is absolutely batshit

b) I though one of the things a previous govt had introduced was no single suppliers for uniforms, and that affordable alternatives must be accepted?

I wonder what the teachers would have done with me in this situation? I have sensory issues and can't bear tags - the first thing I do is cut them out. Always been the same.

That's a good point! I do the same and so do both my daughters. Absolutely cannot stand the itching from any labels at all, but particularly those in the neck and waistbands.

That was actually the current government. As I have posted on this thread, the school in this case appears to be acting unlawfully.

I suspect that many head teachers, governors, etc. think that the guidance is just that - guidance that they are free to ignore. However, the guidance in this case is statutory guidance. That means schools must follow it unless there are good reasons on admissible grounds for doing otherwise, but even then, they can only depart from the guidelines a little. They are not free to do something substantially different.

Even if we ignore
a) the illegality of specifying that uniform must come from a particular supplier
b) the checking of labels by lifting shirts
c) the similarity of the offending and correct skirts,
why do schools insist on putting children in isolation for uniform infringements? Surely isolation is for behaviour that has a damaging effect on the learning or well-being of others. Since when has wearing a skirt with pleats that don’t go all the way to the waist been such a serious offence that anyone who does it needs to be removed from the rest of the class?

I was 6ft at 12- and was always getting in trouble for my skirt being too short. It was literally the length of the skirt on my body-I was also very skinny and you couldn't get skirts in a Long cut at all in the 90s.

So I wore trousers, which were always too short. But there weren't any rules about that. It's one of the reasons standardizing uniform annoys me so much- it's awkward enough being so much taller (or i guess shorter, or fatter) than your peers without actually getting into trouble for it.

Anyway, as Pps said, it's contrary to the statutory guidance.

So they have cheap and cheerful T shirts for one-off events which may even be supplied by the school. It certainly doesn't justify wearing uniform every day in school.

They have hats or hi vis jacket things on activity trips. So its do able. You can't send emails home to parents saying not to stick pictures of your kids in their uniforms on face book with the logo visible or to plaster their names on the book bags/school bags fir safety reasons , then take them to sporting events with their names on the back of their pe kits and claim its justifiable they have a gazillion expensive logo items so you can identify them .

How do you think teachers managed back when half of us were in school and this expensive logo stuff wasn't a thing..

Uniform is all total nonsense and wholly unnecessary. And many schools have their pupils come in in their kit on games days - they are not in uniform then, but - shock horror! - still manage to learn!!!

I was originally replying to a comment that said all children from every school should wear exactly the same.

I was pointing out that being able to distinguish schools on sight can be useful. Whether that's by school uniform or a trips t-shirt.

The fact that schools that don't normally have a uniform also sometimes use the concept means it must have benefits or they wouldn't bother doing it.

Whether one of those benefits is "better performance at school" is far more doubtful. From my point of view, a uniform was good because you didn't have to choose what to wear and for my mum it made washing easier all being the same colour! I probably would have done equally as well wearing my own clothes though.

One of our local schools has ridiculous logo rules for girls skirts (allegedly to stop them rolling them up but the logos are at the hem so that's not going to stop a determined teenager) - and the kids look a right fucking mess going to and from school because the cost is so ridiculous that people hang onto skirts so long that they get incredibly short just from growing teenagers.

My kids go to another local school which have the policy of "buy the blazer and tie, buy the PE top and then get yourselves to wherever's got the special offer on uniform for the rest of the stuff because none of us are made of money" (that was the way they phrased it on open evening) - and DD1 has THE Asda Skirt of Supreme Controversy at the moment. If it's the same one pictured (and it looks like it) it's actually got an adjustment bit inside the waist to bring it in a bit which means we've actually managed to get a knee length skirt for beanpole DD1 who is literally all legs and no waist at the moment (her dad's 6 foot 7 so this is definitely his fault).

I'd say our school look smarter because the parents aren't trying to eek every single second they can out of extortionately priced logged skirts (and the boys don't have to have fucking logged trousers - supermarket is fine for them).

The school’s in Hull though. That was in England last time I checked.

But the generic uniform still comes in a variety of colours. Grey white or blue shirts. Asda sell green, yellow, red, white ,blue polo shirts.

Summer dresses and play suits come in light akd dark blue, yellow, purple, green, red, check and stripes.

The supermarket crew neck jumpers come in navy, Royal blue,grey, red, green, black, etc

You can look different from other schools in the area and still have a uniform purchasable cheap.

I saw a teenage boy at the end of term last year, from the local oversubscribed school with outrageously priced uniform. (Blazers £110 +) His blazer was practically a cropped jacket with 3/4 sleeves...and I couldn't blame a parent fir wanting it to last til the end of term but it did look bit uncomfortable!

@Whatwouldscullydo I agree with that.

The PP I was replying to said everybody should just wear black trousers, white shirts and black jumpers and blazers because people only liked different uniforms for being able to see "my DS goes to blue-blazer-grammar rather than maroon-blazer-failing-academy".

I was explaining why I didn't think every single schoolchild in the country wearing exactly the same uniform was a good idea, and why being able to identify a school from the uniform can be useful.

DS's school insists on expensive uniform trousers with a tiny logo up on the waistband. Inevitably it's covered most of the time by the blazer they also insist on.

When he needs new trousers, I'm just going to snip the logo off the current pair and sew it on the new ones. If the school wants to make a fuss about that it's going to have to explain in logical and rational terms exactly why and how it makes a difference to learning, discipline or anything else other than, possibly, their bank balance from that kickback from the uniform suppliers.

Some studies have suggested that uniform actually causes pupils to feel less connected to their school, interestingly - presumably because it limits their self-expression and they don’t see the point of it so it creates resentment. I always find it a bit ironic that so many schools promote the “be yourself” message to their pupils while dictating that they all look absolutely identical to each other…

And you'd still be able to locate that child if her blue jumper came from Asda rather than Little Lord F's uniform supplier to the elite.

I've come to the conclusion that school uniform is a religion with many people in the UK. It's fully bananas.