"I went to huge lengths to get my child into the locat RC school because the results are brilliant - imagine my horror when they came home saying that contraception is a sin - what should I do?"

[seeker]

Do you thing there are going to be a lot of threads like this in the future?

hmm, scratch 'should exist' from that otherwise eminently sensible sentence..

and replace it with 'should be'

and direct me to the 'preview' function from now on...

Oh, bugger, it's still not right... trying again.

I've said before that my position is that state-funding should be allowed for faith schools that exist because of the faith of the people that run them, with the altruistic aim of providing education for all, regardless of religion.

Anything else is an unjustifiable use of public funds for schools which deliberately religiously discriminate

SueBaroo that sounds eminently sensible to me

Actually UDQ you are wrong. We got the 'data collection forms' from our school last week for their annual updating. DD1 saw that her religion was down as christian and insisted that it was changed to atheist. I shall be interested to see what it says on next year's form.

i have to agree with bree - whether this is a debate or not my stance would be exactly hers. the sudden shock that catholic schools teach about such things erm...catholicly is astounding!

i was recently outraged at a bunch of tambourine toting christian hippies took a lesson in the hall and taught abstenance becuase condoms are oly 98% effective in a controlled environment and its really 85 %

and that my children were taught by this band of whackjobs without my knowldge and it seems that i dont need to know and no one but me on the whole planet is outraged in anyway - that i dont get to question this, remove my child from this, ask for a copy of what was spoken about - beforehand etc etc.

that its ok to teach religeon in schools - i mean why the fuck not - your children are being brought up by the schools in the absence of any meaningful (costly) intervention from GoVT - but its ok to make cooking compulsory?

as well as PHSE bullshit
citisanship - dont make me puke
dont forgt the injections are done through te schools

but fuck me if thgovt doesnt spout " benefit claimants will now get rent paid directly to them - they are adults and should be alloowed to pay ter own bills"

thats people on benefits

the population at large though are happy with the schools teaching the social fibre, moral fibre, health, physical, emotional, how o be good citizen and cook a meal using steamed veggies....becuase you lot as parents are to fucking thick to do it.

and whats more - those who agree this should go on - ironically dont realise that they too are part of this lazy govt parental takeover - they will no doubt tink they are exempt spouting shit about poor fat obese kids with shit parents who dont teach them how o steam carrots and keep their legs shut and be a good citizen ( whatever the fuck that means) whilst we give them a a few vaccinations and tellthem tat condoms are a waste of time

and inbetween the govt trying to make children healthy ans socially responsable through the school system becuase you are a shit parent - some where the teachers have to teach sommat abot maths n ... sommat ...erm ...is there time?

no wonder kids come out of school not being able to read and write - there isnt' any time left inbetweencompulsory PE - becuase parents are too thick to take kids for a walk
compulsory RE becuase parents are too thick to either teach their own fucking religeon or things about other religeons - after all learning a little about islam at school is so not going to make to a raving racist when your dads spouts shit about bombers everytime he passes a curryhouse is it
with compulsory pHSE - got this from some wanky google search

"In PSHE and Citizenship lessons pupils are encouraged to develop confidence and responsibility in order to make the most of their abilities, to develop a healthy, safe lifestyle and to develop good relationships and respect differences between people"

werll give me a fucking tabourine and call me rainbow

any danger of teaching a pythagoream theory?
no? you have no time? got making you do my job?

oh - i have to do it with them in homework?! me who cant recite 8 times table? ahh makes sense...not.

forgot the compulsory cooking. and dotn forget the odd hippy troupe bouncing through town singing "keep yer fanny in yer pants...keep your fanny in your pants...when your BF gets a boner - 'tis better to be a loner - keep your fanny - keep your fanny - in your pants"

dont forget the time tey contribute to school life - form assemblies - a good all round schooly thing woulnt you agree>? i think wasting time on this is perfectly justifyable if they dont have to do all the other wank.

"1 in 10 t be an apprentice" says brown

aye cos they arnt fit for fuck all else - but they can steam a carrot and know the difference between a church and a temple.

forgot the health stuff - they check eyes in little school now i read on another thread

cos your too thick

they vaccinate through school

you can't be trusted

they annouce that they are going to introuce ANOTHER injection into schools to help against cervical cancer - they say they are going to do this at age 13

they dont do rubella tll 15

but never mind that - how come that as thisis starting THISseptember ( supposedly) thatNO LEA knows a god damned thing?

becuase thye will pass the responability to the PCT - so theprevailing govt cant be blamed for anything.
the PCT know its coming

your LEA doesnt

carry on - send my child to your house of learning and teach them what parents should teach - becuase parents arnt teaching children wat they should

the basics about human kind and respect

carry on

fine job

stick a metal detector up please though - becuae your fine job is failing

INVEST in parents

thank you - twas on the sp you understand - all by best work is

spur*

killed that one!

Custardo,

'i was recently outraged at a bunch of tambourine toting christian hippies took a lesson in the hall and taught abstenance becuase condoms are oly 98% effective in a controlled environment and its really 85 %'

But wasn't this at a Catholic school (I'm going by your earlier thread)??? In which case aren't you exactly the sort of person that this thread is aimed at i.e. the parent who sends her child to a faith school and is then amazed because the school teaches the kids through the attitudes and values of said faith? What am I missing? State schools (which are not faith schools) absolutely do not teach abstinence or discourage the use of contraception.

I can't see the problem with cooking lessons in school. I thought all kids did this anyway. I certainly did when I was a kid.

Also, can't see the problem with vaccinations or eye tests in school.

What exactly is your problem?

sits in stunned and awed silence at Custy's marvellous tirade

'no wonder kids come out of school not being able to read and write - there isnt' any time left inbetweencompulsory PE - becuase parents are too thick to take kids for a walk
compulsory RE becuase parents are too thick to either teach their own fucking religeon or things about other religeons - after all learning a little about islam at school is so not going to make to a raving racist when your dads spouts shit about bombers everytime he passes a curryhouse is it
with compulsory pHSE - got this from some wanky google search'

If you lived in the area where I teach (where most children are segregated by faith and ethnic background into different schools so they actually know very little about other faiths breeding a dangerous ingnorance which was largely responsible for causing riots in recent years) I don't think you would be quite so cavlier and actually really quite offensive about educating children from one or no religion about others.

Of course, schools cannot make up for problems in the home but it is certainly their role to educate children and prepare them for life as far as possible.

And FYI, kids still are taught Pythag. They still do have several hours of Maths, History, English lessons... Most kids take 7-10 GCSEs so you can probably stop the scare mongering idea that PSHE and cooking is taking over the curriculum.

And what can possibly be your objection to vaccinating girls against HPV (a cause of cervical cancer) at 13 or any other age? This is an incredible advance which will save 1000s of lives and spare women a huge amount of anxiety and surgery. Absolutely a good thing. I'm delighted that my daughters will get this vaccination. And at school where it will cause the miminum of disuprion.

It's like tossing a half-dead rabbit to a bunch of terriers and watching the squeals as they rush forward to worry it.

As a teacher(although not currently at the chalk face) I have often wondered where the time for actual lessons comes from. The easy answer for lots of problems (for the gov) seems to be to say lets put it in the schools.Let them deal with it.

Here's an idea for those who hate faith schools.

Bearing in mind that most of the Catholic ones were founded and funded by the oftentimes barely literate congregations of priests in the big cities, what's to stop a group of highly-literate, technology-empowered parents starting their own network of schools and approaching the government for funding? If you had a figurehead such as Richard Dawkins surely the government would have to take you seriously? OK, maybe not Dawkins, who's barking, but someone more reasonable?

to be honest if you are not a catholic, why is your child going to a catholic school ? would you send him/her to a communist or mormon or moonie school on the bais that it had good results ?

my brothers ex-wife is a devout catholic (a portugese woman) so my niece goes to a very good catholic school. she comes home with songs about jesus, mary and joseph and it makes me cringe.

she was told she must confess her sins when she was around 8. so i asked her whether she had "sinned" and she said she didn't really know what sin meant bloody right too ! i would be horrified if my son knew what sin meant at age 8, although i would hope he would know enough about good and bad.

i have pondered the issue, and no way would i get my child baptised into ANY religion just so that he can go to a good school.

i don't believe in god, so i would feel like a hypocrite if my child was taught about god on a daily basis just so that he could obtain good GCSE results.

"would you send him/her to a communist or mormon or moonie school on the bais that it had good results?"
I would like to send my child to my local school. I would rather my local school wasn't indoctrinating my children in any religion thanks, just teaching them
Bridie3, an idea like your's was recently rejected by the government, let me see if I can find alink.

I had a vague feeling I'd read about it somewhere, Harpsi!

Weren't there parents in south London who did something similar with a secondary school, too? I think they did it for non-religious reasons (they couldn't get their children into any of the local schools and faced busing them across London, or something).

i would bus (shuttle ????) my son to the moon if it meant keeping him OUT of a religious school. i am now told that the steiner schools are some sort of freaky cult too, so i guess state schools are my best bet : )