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Changing schools for sixth form.

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Swedes2Turnips1 · 17/12/2007 12:01

What are the pitfalls of changing school for sixth form? Any advice greatfully received.

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llareggub · 18/12/2007 22:28

International Baccalaureate, PaulaYatesbiggestfan.

I did this 15 years ago at my state sixth form. It was my decision to leave my school. I don't remember particularly discussing my choice with my parents, similarly with my choice of university.

Is it different for sixth formers today?

amicissima · 18/12/2007 22:37

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llareggub · 18/12/2007 22:48

But the marks aren't really marks as such. At the end of the 2 year course each subject is awarded a number of points up to a maximum of 7, the highest grade. The lowest is a 1 and scoring below a 2 in a subject means that the entirely diploma is failed.

I scored a 1 in chemistry by drawing a mass spectrometer for each question. I was spectacularly bad at chemistry and I would probably agree I wasn't the best IB student.

Each student has to carry out a CAS programme; a specified number of hours engaged in something Creative, something Active and something related to Community Service. From memory this was about 140 hours in total. I chose to dedicate too much my time to the more social parts of the course probably resulting in my very poor chemistry result.

Anyway, I didn't get the required IB score but my chosen university took me anyway. IB results are out in June/JUly (earlier than A Levels anyway) and I didn't have to wait for the A level results to get in.

camox · 19/12/2007 08:43

Back to your question about which school to go to. Oxbridge is deluged with lots of very good applicants and needs a way to chose between them. One way they do that is to rely on the school?s reference. They can tell from what the school says who is the best in the year and who are the also-rans. So if you move your son to a school where the competition is better than him you could actually damage his chances. You need to make sure that he is going somewhere where he is one of the best in his year [in his chosen subject(s)].

frogs talk sense. Your DS needs to develop a passion about something which will be his USP to get in to Oxbridge. He needs something to make him stand out from the crowd.

If you think that the current school do not prepare them properly, there are private companies who help (a grown-up version of 11+ coaching). I don?t know how useful or successful they are though.

Swedes2Turnips1 · 20/12/2007 14:49

camox - but they take 40% of pupils from some schools and none from others.

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arionater · 20/12/2007 17:39

frogs is spot on about the 'something special', the glint in the eye that marks out the very best at oxbridge interviews - it's hard to describe, but it's very obvious when you see it. And the point about the best candidates being those who aren't thrown by being told they're wrong, but able to incorporate that information and continue to think creatively is also absolutely right. Best to remember that grades are now effectively irrelevant unless of course you're predicted less than straight As or have ropey GCSEs without a good reason - you've got to have the As, but apart from passing that 'bar' they don't make any further difference for Oxbridge because all the candidates have them/are predicted them, with very few exceptions, so the issue for the tutors is to distinguish between them. Don't be deluded into believing - whatever the school says - that extra-curricular things make any difference. By and large, they don't, though schools get v. irritated if you say this at open days/schools visits! UCAS statement/schools references are significant up to the point at which candidates are selected for interview, but not much after that (except of course as useful contextual information, or fodder for the gentle ice-breaking opening question). Exams or tests set by Oxford and Cambridge - either taken there when up for interview or at school - are a major factor though, and increasingly common, and of course the work you send up matters too. There is a proportion - perhaps 10 or 20% - of candidates who are so obviously great at interview that there's no question about admitting them, and if your son is in that category he's likely to get in wherever he's at school; similarly there's a (larger) proportion who make the interview cut but clearly aren't, after interview, in the running, and there's not a lot to be done about that either. The bit that matters, to be honest, is the middle range - where tutors have 3 spaces left, say, and 6 candidates, all very good in some ways, with some weaknesses, all of whom would be fine. This I suspect is where the best schools do their stuff, stretching and stimulating their students as much as possible so that they are on as good form as they can be. I'm not sure if that helps much, but it might help you to think about why your son's current school has good results, but doesn't do so well at Oxbridge, and what you might be able to do to supplement it if he doesn't move. But it must come from him - the students who are being propelled by their parents' desire for the place, not their own, are also pretty obvious once you talk to them at interview.

Swedes2Turnips1 · 20/12/2007 18:22

arionater - Thanks for that. That is extremely useful It is absolutely his desire to go.

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camox · 23/12/2007 08:47

I'm glad that you found my posting useful.
When talking about Oxbridge you have to be careful: the numbers involved are so small that you cannot make statistics-based generalisms. Could you name the school that you are talking about (the 40% into Oxbridge school) so that you can get some specific advice about that particular school - someone on here is bound to know it.

Nemostwonderfultimeoftheyear · 23/12/2007 08:59

I changed school for 6th form and it was the best thing I ever did. I would not have stayed on in the school I went to but did quite well by changing. New social circle etc didnt matter too much as we were all there out of choice so tended to do work when needed.

Cam · 24/01/2008 17:03

camox who are you

camox · 24/01/2008 23:38

I am the Elephant's Child, O Best Beloved.

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