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Could remote schooling become a choice?

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Raindropsonrosesand · 17/05/2020 09:15

Coronavirus has forced us to try new things which were previously dismissed as impossible. I'm certainly hoping to wfh more, even when this is all over.

I wonder whether the government should be looking at making remote schooling - properly planned, supported, and resourced - a long-term option.

Effective remote schooling is possible: my DD's (private) school has been amazing at providing a really good remote learning experience. They have a full timetable using Teams on their school ipads, with taught real-time lessons and teachers available for support. They also have form time for discussion at the start and end of the day, which keeps the kids connected to the school and each other, and includes daily activities to help them process what's going on.

Don't get me wrong, it's a hard thing to do well. The teachers are very obviously working incredibly hard, and it's more difficult for them to gauge how kids are doing and help them than in person. A lot of important parts of the school experience are missing. It does still need significant support from parents for the kids to benefit fully (although I think this would lessen with time, as everyone figures it out). And it certainly isn't for all kids: they need to be reasonably self-motivated, able to focus and keen to work.

In most cases, physical school will be a far better choice for children. I can't wait for DD to be able to go back safely!

But for a minority of kids - eg living in remote locations, army parents moving around lots, schools within reach haven't worked for the child, health issues that put them at risk in a school environment - it could be the best option. I'd probably choose it over boarding school for DD, if I had to make that choice. I expect that many of the parents who choose home-schooling would find this a good alternative. And many kids who just don't thrive at school might find this a better option.

The neat thing about it is that the children who would benefit from it can be geographically dispersed, which makes it much more achievable than other specialist educational provision. Even a tiny proportion of children adds up to a significant number across the whole country.

And without the cost of running an expensive physical school, there would be more money available for the technology, other physical support (books and resources sent to each child) and smaller class sizes necessary for it to work.

It would work well for teachers too. You could recruit them anywhere, so hugely opening the pool of possible applicants. In the short term, this would be great for teachers who have health conditions which make coronavirus exposure dangerous.

And finally, it would be really easy to assess the provision (which would be important). Unlike normal ofsted assessments which are done in one not-very-representative day, all lessons and interactions can be recorded and assessed.

Like I said, it's not easy. It would require some pretty serious thought and work to set it up in a way that works well. And it would only be the right choice for a small proportion of children, perhaps only for a limited amount of time. But I think creating that option could really enrich our state educational provision, solving significant problems for some children.

What do you think?

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lljkk · 04/06/2020 16:28

It's good you know how to use the machine. I needed 3 hours of 1-to-1 lessons to learn to use my machine. But I am slow.

TurningPointe · 04/06/2020 19:07

@lljkk I sewed over my finger tip in year 7 at school back in the day....!!!!

I think that's kind of a lot of the point. Schools used to teach sewing and cooking. They don't know so much. And I don't know many schools with 3D printers either. We all have to branch out and find alternatives outside of traditional school.

manicinsomniac · 05/06/2020 00:57

As an absolute last resort, maybe.

But I don't believe it's possible to get a fulfilling, complete all round education on your own over a computer connection.

You could be describing the school I work at in your OP. Many parents are raving over our online provision (and some continue to demand more). But I don't see happy, thriving children. They're making good, academic progress, sure. The talented or proactive students are making good progress in the arts and sport. Many of the children enjoy the enrichment videos and social sessions. But none of it can even begin to compare face to face learning. It's so hard to connect with, interact with and support the children remotely. I am hating every second of this supposedly 'successful, state of the art' term.

PineappleUpsideDownCake · 05/06/2020 04:19

Manic - I wonder if its becasuse most people dont know what actually goes on in the classroom they di t have the point of reference to compare?

I am puzzled by people who rave about all the online learnjng their school provides as I'd hate my child to be of front of a computer at home most the day.

We've done our own thing (yr 6 - baking, gardening, some interest led stuff around nasa etc...) and I'm so glad as she's slotted back in fine.

Raindropsonrosesand · 06/06/2020 20:53

You're right, @PineappleUpsideDownCake, I've never worked in a real classroom, and can't compare. I absolutely believe that a real classroom is a much better, richer environment - and would love DD to go back as soon as possible.

In my OP, I was suggesting that for a small percentage of children it might be better than the alternative - for that child, for a time. And that it might be valuable for the government/education establishment to learn from what's being done and look at providing it as an alternative in the state sector.

Just to clarify though, despite having a full timetable, DD certainly isn't on her tablet all day. It's a mix of conference call lessons to introduce an exercise; reading a chapter of their book and doing a related creative exercise; PE 3 times a week where they're given a challenge; Art and Music - eg singing songs together on a conference call, or making up their own notation for music to illustrate a book; discovering different habitats eg drawing/labelling a micro habitat in their garden or designing and making a bug hotel for science.

I'm really sorry to hear you're hating teaching in this way @manicinsomniac. It may be that your students are thriving better than you think - making the best of it, despite things not being ideal. And I hope that it won't be long before you are back with them in person, giving them a fab, rounded education and glad to all be together again. Flowers

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peajotter · 06/06/2020 20:57

This would be amazing for ds2, who struggles with school. We think he has sensory issues. He’s loving interacting with his classmates and teacher online. I’ll see how he copes going back but we may look into it.

Phineyj · 06/06/2020 22:09

I think my DD possibly prefers it but I don't prefer it for her. Too much screentime and she does more work in school. I think one long term benefit may be many more teachers comfortable with Teams etc and therefore a much better experience for DC who have periods of ill-health etc. It could also really help with foreseen public transport disruption which is a big issue for my area.

PettsWoodParadise · 07/06/2020 08:56

In the words of Hermione Granger:

“Books and cleverness. There are more important things: friendship and bravery.”

For DD she can do the books and most learning from home but it is very one dimensional and her emotional connections and impulse are missing.

Her Engineering studies are stalled as she doesn’t have access to all the equipment. Science lessons are missing most of the practical elements. Yes you can improvise to some extent but not all families can afford the ingredients or materials.

I also worry about a few chaotic families I know who if they had this option would probably take it and their children would fail to thrive.

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ScrapThatThen · 10/06/2020 20:33

Yes, I think parents should have an online school paid for by taxpayers as a choice. I think many dc would benefit.

NeverTwerkNaked · 10/06/2020 20:46

We are using Interhigh now and DS loves.it. He was getting nothing of substance from school and he loves learning. He has approx 2/3 hours of lessons a day "online" and then a fair amount of homework set too. He can go away and do that from books etc so gets a screen break. He's really enjoying it and I will keep him there as a minimum until the world is back to normal. (He is clinically vulnerable but also I have lost all faith in his school). Agree this method is missing some of the social aspect but he is one 4 and in various sports teams. I definitely think it is a niche choice in normal times but having tried it I would definitely say it works surprisingly well.

CraftyGin · 10/06/2020 21:06

We are installing fancy web-cams and microphones in each classroom to enable us to deliver lessons from the classroom to students who are not able to attend. This is all based on the Google Meet platform.

We anticipate that from September, attendance will still be disrupted, with students and teachers self-isolating for a fortnight at a time. Putting out lessons on Google Meet will enable absent students and teachers to participate (especially if they are not unwell).

We also expect to attract school refusers, who would be unable otherwise to access proper lessons.

NeverTwerkNaked · 10/06/2020 21:19

@craftygin that sounds like such a good idea. It would also help shielding children.

Levatrice · 12/06/2020 11:14

Me too @ScrapThatThen

sirfredfredgeorge · 12/06/2020 15:13

We are installing fancy web-cams and microphones in each classroom to enable us to deliver lessons from the classroom to students who are not able to attend. This is all based on the Google Meet platform.

Would love to read your Data Protection Impact Assessment of that, really struggle to see how it's justified and on what grounds the processing is done.

NeverTwerkNaked · 12/06/2020 15:52

Of course it is justified on the basis of delivering an education. The camera will presumably just be on the teacher. The ICO is highly unlikely to obstruct the delivery of education in this way.
I don't think DP should be weaponised to prevent remote teaching.

sirfredfredgeorge · 12/06/2020 16:11

To meet the requirement of delivering video and audio of a teacher to the remote student doesn't need processing by Google, you can achieve the aim with a different way - the data minimisation principle is a problem, equally the recording of other kids voices (and potentially video, very difficult to manage a camera that only captures the teacher, it would mean kids could never approach the teacher, or had to have a policy that could prevent the video being captured when they wanted to.)

Absolutely data protection should not be used to prevent remote teaching, but equally "remote teaching" should not be used as a back door for transferring data to the largest advert surveillance company in the world, nor making routine the permanent video and/or audio of students and teachers in their classrooms.

I certainly didn't suggest that it was impossible, simply that I would be interested in seeing the Data Protection Impact assessment, and I cannot see any way that one is not required before such processing is begun.

Tianalia · 12/06/2020 16:13

You can do that with one of the online schools. My kids used to do it. It was fab, with kids in the virtual classroom from all over the world.

lovingtea · 12/06/2020 16:28

ds has attended online school (myonlineschooling, have a google). since last september (ahead of the trend eh !)

in our house education has NOT CHANGED as a result of covid at all. no disription blah di blah......

online educations been round for a while. works really well. yes we self fund. unlike interhigh you can pay per subject, rather than a package. I suspect @Mrskeats teaches at my online schooling?

NeverTwerkNaked · 12/06/2020 16:37

@lovingtea I have switched my son to Interhigh during Covid and am so pleased with it that I am tempted to keep him there afterwards. He loves having specialist subject teachers and no reluctant learners interrupting classes... I like the look of myonlineschooling too, Interhigh worked better for start dates and he likes the full syllabus... Anyway, I am waffling, my question is really how it feels doing it when life is "normal" ? What are the pros and cons? How did you ensure they still got some face to face socialising done? Not a judgy question, I'm just thinking very seriously that it might be the right fit for him (that's part of the reason we felt now was a good chance to try it, with "nothing to loose" at present)

lovingtea · 12/06/2020 17:48

pros as you can already see <strong>@NeverTwerkNaked</strong>. exatly the same! cons is socialisation at the moment, but its the same for all kids. usually Im in cahoots with local facebook home ed groups and that deals with that side of things.

lovingtea · 12/06/2020 17:50

yes no distraction in class. I think compared to an hour`s class in mainstream and online, ds gets a more focussed class? they can cover a bit more/ go a bit more in depth? Does interhigh use powerschool ? I also like how they can use a text chat box all the way through a class which works well for class discussions etc.

Potatobug · 12/06/2020 17:58

How can anyone in their right mind even think that remote schooling is possible for the masses? You can’t transport a whole education system onto the screen of a sodding laptop in your living room. How would it make it possible for both parents to work outside the house? Who would be with the children whilst they are home studying online? So you think the kids would be at home basically getting on with their schoolwork by themselves while both parents are out working 8-10 hours? Could you explain this? In a family of 3 school-aged children 3 laptops/IPads would be needed, plus printer always full of ink cartridges. 1-2 trained nanny/tutor to look after the children while the parents are out. What universe are you living in? Millions of people can’t afford that.

NeverTwerkNaked · 12/06/2020 18:08

@lovingtea yes I love they have the chatbox and also options to raise their hand/ pm the teacher etc. I didn't expect there to be the technology to break off and do small group work too and that has really impressed me

NeverTwerkNaked · 12/06/2020 18:20

@potatobug I don't think anyone is suggesting it would be the norm, just that it may become a much more mainstream choice. I have proved to my employer that our whole team can work from home and still deliver all our work, even the major projects, successfully. So I expect far fewer people will be full time out the house going forward.

It won't be right for all children, but some children like my son seem to really click with it.

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