11+ score check

[Fifi04]

Hi. Is it possible check my son score - I think of course is to low?! :-((( He made nv and v reasoning on Wandsworth and last month he was very sad because his score is to low for Chestnut. I'm angry as well because I prepared him over one 1!! Every day, every second day he make bond tests about 0.5-1h. He got tutor over one 1 as well! He made huge progress and now ... Day before Wandsworth test I gave him 11-12+ and hi score was about 95%!! Girl who's got tutoring with him and usually they got similar score - she made 30pkt more! My son was crying that his score got kids under national average ;-) I don't want and I don't like compare people - especially kids but for me look like my son lost one page of test! Any chance for look his test or check again??
Thanks for any help

Loooking on its website, Chestnut Grove has 60 places allocated on aptitude for Art or MFL, but then the rest allocated within 5 ability band - 24 places in each. The actual score in the test is not an oversubscription criterion - in fact, it would contravene the Admissions Code (the law on state school admissions) for the school to allocate places in score order within each band.

So, your DS's score, whatever it was, was only used to place him in one of the five bands. Within the band, places were then allocated in order to:

• Looked After Children
• Children with documented social /

medical need

• Siblings
• Children of staff
• on distance

Assuming that the school didn't fill all the places in your DS's band before admitting anyone on distance, presumably you just live to far away from the school to have been offered a place.

Thnx for answer but I'm ask about ... - sorry my english is not very well. I saw this info about school allocation and theoretically is working very good but in real live ... Now my son got school 3km from us house!! 3km!! Chestnut is just 2km far, another (very good) 0.6km (600m)! All schools are closes that this one, which he get!! So I don't believe in some information! Another example: for every past year we can find score, which give kids access to selected/right school. So why I'm ask about score check possibility...??

It's sound like joke: it is better got mum at selected secondary school then be good pupil ;-)

Nobody was offered Chestnut Grove from 2km away in any band, it doesn't matter what the score is.

This link shows how places were offered in Wandsworth this year: <a class="break-all" href="https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=www.wandsworth.gov.uk/download/downloads/id/10455/how_places_were_offered.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjAm_nnw7ThAhVAWhUIHbeFB_oQFjAAegQIBxAC&usg=AOvVaw2lb28Hh1StM0qKrrwutXIg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=www.wandsworth.gov.uk/download/downloads/id/10455/how_places_were_offered.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjAm_nnw7ThAhVAWhUIHbeFB_oQFjAAegQIBxAC&usg=AOvVaw2lb28Hh1StM0qKrrwutXIg

If you don't get a place in any of your choices (how many did you put on the form?), you are allocated the nearest one that has spaces. If all the schools nearest you have no space then your child has to go somewhere else.

It sounds as if you didn't understand how it all works sorry. But no reason to suspect they have done anything wrong.

Do you know how to appeal? Look on the Wandsworth website it might be worth trying.

Wow!! Do U understand my question??!!! I try know how it is works - I think I know but I'm ask about test score appeal or double check now about school appeal!!! Please....
2km is to far but 3km is ok - wow ;-)

Your best bet is to contact Wandsworth Education and ask them how you can lodge an appeal. Also inform them that you would like to have your son's test re-marked. They will be able to tell you whether or not that is possible. But, you can't think because a school accepted someone 3km away, they must accept your son because he lives closer. Distance and marks are not the only criteria to getting a place in a school, even independent schools. I used to live 2 minutes from an outstanding primary school when my daughter was born. It's the school we applied to but she didn't get a place there. Schools have a variety of reasons why they'll take one child and not another. It isn't about scores or distance to the school. MarchingFrogs pointed out how places have been allocated. Even after your son's paper has been re-marked and even if you find he had the highest score in the whole of Wandsworth, he still may not get a place in the school of your choice. Think about where else he will be happy and where he will thrive.

3Km is only 2 miles, therefore well within the reasonable distance to expect a child of over 8 uears old to walk to school (3 miles). We live in an urban area outside of London and our 2 nearest comprehensive schools are nearly 3Km away from our house.

I'm sorry, but since you seem to think that Chestnut Grove is a school which allocates places in score order (rather than using the test score to divide applicants into smaller groups, within which, other criteria are applied), did you actually look at how any of your preferred schools allocate their places? And consider how your DS would be ranked by each school? And take on board the information that in submitting your CAF, you are expressing preferences, not making choices?

If you base your appeal for Chestnut Grove on, 'my DS is a clever boy, he should have got a place' you are doomed to failure, I'm afraid. It just isn't a 'selective school' in the sense you seem to think. You have to demonstrate why the disadvantage your DS will suffer by not attending Chestnut Grove - or any of your preferred schools for which you appeal - is greater than the problems which will be caused at the school if it has to admit an extra pupil when the year group is already full.

I think Sweet does understand your question actually. You are too far from Chestnut regardless of score.

I am sorry your son is so distressed. It's horrible to see.

Do you understand that no-one got into Chestnut grove living more than 2km away. No-one. Your son didn't get a place because you live too far away. Nothing to do with his score. It's NOT a selective school.

You can't appeal against the score, no.

this shows you the score bands that chestnut use; there is no such thing as "too low" for them. They use the score to put applicants in ability bands, no one is screened out due to their score.

http://www.wandsworth.gov.uk/download/downloads/id/12114/wandsworthyearr6admissionsstest--frequentlyaskeddquestions.pdf

Once the bands are set, chestnut allocate places by their admissions criteria, which for most children is distance. So you live too far away; too many children living closer to the school wanted places.

You have been allocated the nearest school you applied for which had spaces. (Or if you didn't qualify for any you applied for, then the nearest one which had space).

You can appeal for another school, but that would need to be based on why the detriment to your child of not attending that school is higher than the detriment to the school of admitting another pupil.

Chestnut Grove does not offer places to the highest scores. They offer to all scores. They try to get an equal number of kids from all scores. No one gets into Chestnut Grove from 2km away. Some schools do offer 3km away but Chestnut Grove doesn't. That's what I was trying to show you in the link above. The highest score in the Wandsworth test is only important for Graveney.

You are not understanding the replies. Itdoesn't matter what his score was. If you live 2km away, that was further than any distance offered for that school. No matter what the score was, high or low.

The other school will have allocated places, and the children could be completely different. So they had space for a child over 3km away, which is why you got it.

If you want to appeal, you can state why you think your child needs to go to the Chestnut school, but you'll have to convince the panel that he needs the school more than the school will struggle to accommodate him.

This year has been a high birth year and many families have been disappointed. I know in my part of suburban London where distance three years ago for an outstanding school was 1.5 miles, now it is 0.8 miles.

I find it odd OP is using km as I don’t know any schools that use that as distance, but then I am in an alternative London borough that uses miles. Score is irrelevant in fair banding applications - you are allocated a band and then after other oversubscription criteria it is distance. OP check with the admissions officer which band your child fell into and what distance that went it to - that might give you an idea of you have a chance off the waitlist.

I will add that when it is said a child of this age is disappointed this is usually only because a parent has expectations that means their allocated school is not thought of well by the parents and that is opinion is projected/verbalised/explained to the child.

Oh! Can You understand that I ask about re-marked test!!!! Please!! I give just short example about school!! My son is very happy of school which he get now! I just saw how he was sad and I want build up his confidence why I ask about score!! U R going wrong way, U push me there and every time U ask me: "do U understand???" "Do U understand???" So I'm understand - please! I didn't ask about this but I understand U. Thanx for help

Thanx everybody for help!! Sorry for my English!! I found this:
www.wandsworth.gov.uk/download/downloads/id/12114/wandsworth_year_6_admissions_test_-_frequently_asked_questions.pdf#page4

"You cannot appeal against your test score. However, if you are not offered your preferred school on national offer day or a later date, you will have a formal right of appeal to an independent appeal panel against the decision not to offer a place. Further information about this will be provided with your application outcome notification in March."

My son wanted go to chestnut after open day! His art is ... top one - drawing - amazing! All teachers tell him: "Chestnut is right for U!!" Teacher tell him: "If U made better test score u can get chestnut!" Every day he sees kids dressed chestnut uniform who's live far then we... I try explain everything what I can and I try do what I can so I want test remarked for build up his confidence after those. Now he will going to school maybe 3km far, maybe more but travel by train is 9min + few minut walk. His local friends going there as well so he is happy of this school at the moment of course!
Thanks one more time everybody for help and understanding

His teacher should not have told him that! Do they understand the system? It seems like all they have done is confused and upset him.

Really glad to hear that he's excited about the school he's been allocated

Every day he sees kids dressed chestnut uniform who's live far then we...

Possibly explained by this little nugget of info on the Admissions page on the school's website?

180 places available in Year 7

30 specialist places for Art and 30 for MFL: based on aptitude, not distance.

If you had read the admissions policy properly, or even had better advice from others around you, it's possible that your DS could have taken the Art aptitude test and even done well enough to have gained a place through that route.

It's good that he is happy with his allocated school, though.

60 places for aptitude - wow I though state schools could select no more than 10% on apptitude

60 places for aptitude - wow I though state schools could select no more than 10% on apptitude

Not necessarily, the Admissions Code states:

1.22 Partially selective schools must not exceed the lowest proportion of selection that has been used since the 1997/98 school year

So if the school was already allocating at least a third of its places in this way at that time and has not reduced the proportion at any time in between, it can continue to do so.

Ahh Ok - thats for clarifying.

Fifi, did your son sit for the art aptitude test as well as the banding test?

No!! We prepared him to Gravenue school but after open days he told us that he want just Chestnut - he didn't want go to Gravenue. It was 1 or 2 days after aptitude test application close day.
Next (for me funny) information: my son teacher tell him few days ago that he has to change the way he writing number 1 because sats test computer doesn't recognise it correctly!!!! Maybe something can happen on Wandsworth test as well???

But unless I've misunderstood the admissions criteria him not writing 1 clearly is irrelevant. Whatever band he had been placed in he would have failed to be admitted on distance. You sound as if you are clutching at straws. If he is happy with his allocated school perhaps you need to accept it now and move on. If you did not list the schools closer he would have been allocated a space at the highest you listed for which he qualified or the nearest with a place available once all preferences were processed.

Oh God!!! He is happy and I'm happy of his happiness!! I'm happy that I can be here - in England, in UK!! But unfortunately I can compare 2 countries - my native and my new one! And I see that some thinks ... for example: in my country all important test like sats, gscs or secondary admission test have to check two (2) teachers or computer and teacher!! They got for this 2-3 days! Pupil receives better/higher score. If he is unhappy, he can improve his score next day (after result) or day after tomorrow!! He can got one more special test! I saw a lot of time situations where the best pupil got 40% score and few day letter 98-99%!! How?? Here system is perfect!! Computer can NOT make mistake! U can not re-mark test! U can not see copy!! Kids who's got mum or older sibling at school go first - it is nepotism! ;-)
Ps: if U want know why I'm ask about re-marked test check all this chat.

Whatever shape his 1s, 2s or any other digits are, it would have been totally irrelevant to the completion of the Wandsworth test answer sheet, because no actual 'writing' is involved.

From the FAQs on the Wandsworth website:

For both parts, your child will be given a pre-printed answer sheet to fill in. The answer sheet lists the different possible answers and the child has to put a pencil mark by the side of the correct answer.

The tests are scored by a computer which reads the pencil lines. There is no writing involved.

www.wandsworth.gov.uk/downloads/file/12114/wandsworth_year_6_admissions_test_-_frequently_asked_questions

So, no worries there.

Incidentally, I'm slightly intrigued as to how I (not living in Wandsworth or anywhere near and with no DC of an age to be sitting this test even if I was) am so easily able to find out all this stuff about the school's admissions policy and the test, when this information appears to have passed you by completely...