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My 9 year old told his 4 year old sister about his Sex Relations lesson today

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bkplace601 · 19/06/2018 13:12

My son attends a primary school in Norfolk. Class sizes are small so he is in Year 4 with Year 5 pupils who are taught together.

A letter was sent home at the end of last term saying SRE was about to start and we had to let the school know if we wanted to pull our child out. I didn't get the letter, but there wasn't any detail in it that would give me a reason to think he should be pulled out.

After his first lesson my 9 year old came home and said to his 4 year old sister, "Do you know what, when you get older boys are going to stick their penis into your private bits". I distracted my daughter and then chatted to my son. He said he had been told not to talk about it with KS1 children, but he said his sister was not KS1!

I contacted the school immediately to pull him out of SRE lessons until we could find out how the school were teaching the subject. I also advised them that as a response to our situation, they should maybe reiterate that it wasn't just KS1 pupils but all pupils. The teacher came back with a very defensive response, that they had made it clear. Clearly, to the detriment of my family, they hadn't and were now putting other families at risk, why wouldn't a teacher want to just reiterate that pupils shouldn't speak to any younger children in the next lesson?

I have withdrawn my son saying I would like to look at how and what he is being taught. I have looked at the legislation on guidance for SRE, which would be great if my school were using them:

SRE Education Guide 2000
Key Points
All schools must have an up to date policy, drawn up by the governing body, and available to parents for inspection. I had seek it out on the school website, it wasn't in the policies section, but under curriculum. And it doesn't tell me the first lesson is on sex! What it does tell me is that they are vaguely providing a policy to cover the government requirements with a few bits missing and in less than 15 lines.

This should be developed in consultation with parents and the wider community. What a dream. How can I encourage this school to change to this way of thinking, rather than don't drop your child off late, make sure they come for 97% of the year, pick them up at 3 and its not our fault if your child doesn't come home with their letters. Does consultation really amount to a letter home that allows you to withdraw your child from a lesson? And does silence, a no reply, really amount to fair acceptance by parents?

Primary schools should have clear parameters on what children should be taught in the transition year before moving to secondary school and that parents should be consulted. My son is Year 4, what do they get taught in the transition year that is different from what he is learning now which parents should be consulted on?

I have withdrawn my son from SRE, but I am just at a loss as to what to do next. The school don't seem to care that my 4 year old daughter has been exposed to KS2 "sex" lessons, and I don't think my 9 year old son is really mature enough to be dropped into the deep end with his first lesson in SRE being centred around sex! However, I don't want him to miss out on lessons of physical, emotional and moral development. I thought teaching about relationships was more important than sex these days, that sex was just a part of learning about relationships. But what can a parent do, when the school isn't even operating to the government guidelines or statutory policy requirements?

OP posts:
Nothisispatrick · 19/06/2018 14:41

I don't understand your reaction at all or why you have to now pull him out of lessons. He made the choice to repeat it to his younger sister, why don't you use the opportunity to open up a dialogue about it with your children. Plenty of 4 years old know age appropriate things about where babies come from. Detriment to your family? What?

GameFrame · 19/06/2018 14:49

I don't understand the problem. Surely both a 9 year old and a 4 year old should already know what sex is - why the secret?!?!

BuffyandHen · 19/06/2018 15:47

why on earth would a 4 year old know what sex is?

reluctantbrit · 19/06/2018 15:49

Your DS made it to 9 years without knowing the mechanics of it? My DD was 6 when we told her to babies are made because she asked. I think she knew about periods from 3-4 and how babies are born.

I think you totally overreacted. Most likely your DD already forgot all about it and if not it is a starting point to talk a bit about it.

Maybe the school lacked in making sure every parent acknowledge the letter and most schools I know give also details about the informations covered to the parents prior to the lessons.

Removing your DS now means he will get the stuff from his classmates in breaktime without the chance to ask questions and most likely he will misunderstand half of it.

titchy · 19/06/2018 15:51

why on earth would a 4 year old know what sex is?

Why wouldn't they? They're curious things 4 year olds, they ask questions lots and lots and lots of questions. Some of them never grow out of it...

Many will also have friends with pregnant mums, or pregnant pets.

Ifailed · 19/06/2018 15:58

@cottonweary
very odd first post, hopefully just a bit of teacher bashing.

Happyandshiney · 19/06/2018 15:59

Buffy because they asked and their parents gave them an honest and age appropriate answer.

00100001 · 19/06/2018 16:00

A four year old should know the basic biology of sex/reproduction if they've expressed an interest. Eg a man and woman make a baby - sperm eggs etc They obviously don't need to watch anything!

I'm sure it was more about "your body is going to change" etc I doubt very much that your imaginary- 9 year old was shown anything inappropriate. And I doubt very much your kids are the first to spill the beans to another kid! Get over it, move on. Focus on the biology.

PerspicaciaTick · 19/06/2018 16:18

This is leg pull isnt it? It has to be.
Your DS was showing off (you need to deal with that) about a topic that most parents of 4yo will already have introduced (you need to deal with that too). You have lost all sense of proportion and overreacted (again, your problem) and you think the school are at fault?

ThalassaThalassa · 19/06/2018 16:29

I'm surprised how many people are saying that a 4 year old 'should' know about sex by now, and that parents are remiss not to tell them. People always take such black or white views on this topic! I have no problem with 4 year olds knowing about sex, and I agree it's generally a good idea to answer questions that are asked. But to say that a 4 year old should know?? What if they haven't asked any questions? Should all parents of 4 year olds have already unilaterally introduced the topic? I know very few parents who have discussed the actual mechanics of sex with their 4 year olds, and plenty who haven't even discussed it by the age of 8 or 9. FWIW neither of mine ever asked anything about it, and I ended up introducing the topic when my older son was 9 and my younger was 6, precisely because I didn't want the 9 year old to hear it in SRE first. I was hoping one of them would have asked questions sooner but neither of them ever had, so I ended up having to manufacture a conversation.

BoobleMcB · 19/06/2018 16:40

Massive overreaction

Anasnake · 19/06/2018 21:40

You're being ridiculous

NomNomNomNom · 20/06/2018 10:01

ThalassaThalassa I think you're right. A four year old should get appropriate answers to questions they ask. Many won't have asked for the technical details of how the sperm gets to the egg etc and so won't know.

LetChildrenBeChildren · 20/06/2018 11:36

Why is it a problem that a 4yo knows how babies are conceived? Why making it so horrible - it's natura. I'm from a country where these books are available at nursery - no biggie. No wonder there's an issue with teenage pregnancy here.

bathildab · 20/06/2018 14:08

LetChildren you are missing the point. It's not the facts per se but the inappropriate way the boy spoke to the younger sister.

I am also in agreement with others that your son is at fault, not the school. Pulling him out and giving the school a hard time isn't going to help. He needs to understand that speaking that way on these topics - to anyone - is absolutely not appropriate. A good chance for you to help him to understand boundaries OP.

Abetes · 20/06/2018 15:52

Lots of children learn lots of things from older siblings or older children in the playground. Your son was told not to tell younger children (and I would say that at 9 he is old enough to know that meant his sister even if she isn’t technically in KS1) but these things happen. I really wouldn’t pull him from the lessons but talk to him about how to talk or not talk to his sister about it.

Kingsclerelass · 20/06/2018 16:05

Interested in this thread because my ds 9 has no clear idea how babies are made although he knows it needs a man & a woman. I think he zoned out in that class as gross. He also doesn’t clearly know the difference between penis & peanuts. Grin

Having read this, I think maybe I’d better have a chat over the summer.

Loungingbutnotforlong · 20/06/2018 20:39

Why are you all talking about the boy being at ‘fault’ or somehow showing off. He was discussing something he learnt at school- as a parent this is your chance to supplement/ clarify his learning and understanding. Younger children will often hear about their older siblings classes. It’s not ideal that your younger child heard about the mechanics of sex before you were ready for the conversation, but sex is not something dirty or shameful- you are the one attaching value judgement to what he said.

Tansie1 · 20/06/2018 20:41

Can I tell you all a funny story? My friend has a 5 year old DD. She expressed an interest about where she came from, having seen her mum's caesarian scar, and was told she came 'out of mummy's tummy; that a clever doctor carefully opened mummy's tummy so mummy didn't hurt, and hooray! DD was born!'- She then showed her DD pictures of herself heavily pregnant.

DD thought about it, looking at the pregnancy photos, then said - 'Is it like an egg cracking?' (mum's tum did look egg-like at 8+ months!), and my friend happily agreed, that was pretty much it.

A couple of days later, my friend was called aside by DD's form teacher at home time, to be told, as the teacher struggled to contain her mirth, that the DD had announced to the class 'I was born out of of mummy's crack!'

Priceless.

Branleuse · 20/06/2018 20:44

overreaction

OldBean2 · 22/06/2018 15:09

I once got a letter from a parent as a CoG to stop Yr6s discussing it in the playground!

I have many powers but sadly this is not one of them.

Roomba · 22/06/2018 16:25

Surely pulling him out of further sessions just reinforces that this is something hidden and therefore even more exciting to show off about to younger children?

JennyOnAPlate · 22/06/2018 16:31

I have to say I think you're overreacting and I don't think school have done anything wrong

Surely most children have asked how babies are made by the age of 4?

nottinghillgrey · 22/06/2018 16:34

Why are you taking him out of classes?

He needs to know this stuff. He also needs to know not to tell his sister.

That’s it. The school is not responsible because they taught your child.

BertrandRussell · 22/06/2018 16:38

Don’t understand why you would want to withdraw your ds. Very strNge reaction.