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Just come back from meeting with ds1's head and teacher, need to splurge about it

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Greensleeves · 30/04/2007 15:17

It was a really long meeting, I think I wittered a bit too much. It was very gruelling and I had to go into detail about things I am just not used to talking to strangers about, I probably came across as a nervous wreck (I am one!)

The head was very helpful and very interested in everything, he made notes and asked us a lot of questions. He thinks we need family therapy to help ds1 (and me) get over the debacle with my mother last year. He is going to talk to the HV/Family Support team [horrified emoticon] about getting it arranged, and possibly some Child Guidance input as well (can anyone tell me more about this? I feel rather out of my depth.)

He also thinks the ground needs to be laid for ds1 starting school in September, he is going to email the G&T coordinator and let him know about ds1's unusual abilities (the head says ds1 is already exceeding the targets for end of reception). He didn't seem all that interested in ds1's actual reading/writing/maths at this stage, he was firmly in favour of the nursery just continuing to work on social skills and behaviour (good!!) and told usus to try not to worry about September, just concentrate on the issues in hand now.

He also said he thinks ds1's emotional development is delayed in that the temper tantrums/bad behaviour/testing etc ds1 is doing is more typical of a 2yo and the reason we are finding it so difficult is because we are getting toddler behaviour/anger in a much older and cognitively advanced child.

He asked us lots of questions about ds1's interests and the questions he asks us, and his obsessions, and his fears, and the triggers for his bad behaviour. We all seemed to be drawing the same conclusions about the root of his behaviour being anxiety, and that the horror with my mother was a big issue for ds1. Also that we need an "ultimate sanction" (naughty stair etc) and to be more authoritative, because a child going through this developmental stage (although he is going through it late) needs the security of rock-hard boundaries. He also said that some of the things ds1 is thinking about, like what happens when we die, and where in the body the mind is located, and what happens in the middle of a black hole, were probably very frightening for a child who despite his intelligence is still very very little emotionally.

So family therapy, child guidance, an email to the G&T person and a review in a couple of weeks to see how we are getting on with some of the behaviour strategies he suggested (things like stopping talking until he makes eye contact, reflecting questions back at him to get an idea of which level he needs an answer at, etc)

If anyone has actually got to the end of this post, well done

If anyone has any ideas or can shed further light on what any of this means, I'd be grateful.

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Porcupine · 30/04/2007 18:34

that book " how to talk so kids will listen bla bl bal" if you can get through hte tiny type and americanisms is VERY good at amking oyu rthink the way you talk not only to kdis but to dhs. ici

let me knwo if oyu want mine.
angry hands are the way i knwo when dh is pissed off wiht me
he has his hands at his side fingers close together as if he is about to run a sprint and he opens and shuts his fingers
so totally non threatening adn lets oyu knwo and him knwo he is feelign cross.

emotional literacy is a BIG thing in education at the moment as are the 4 rs in learning ( reciproicty rsilience rseourcefulness reflectiveness) so I hope yous school is doitg somthign abotu it.

Porcupine · 30/04/2007 18:35

re. talking about feelings there sa goo chapter in how to talk abotu dealign wiht diappointment.

i still use it.

Tamum · 30/04/2007 18:46

I don't have anything concrete to advise but I agree that the head sounds fab. I thnk it sounds rather hopeful to be honest, it makes so much sense that it seems like there should be a good chance that his strategy will work. I can see why it's awful for you though- you're presumably still havign real problems coming to terms with it all yourself, let alone dealing with ds's reactions.
xx

puddle · 30/04/2007 18:54

I know people who have had postive experience of family therapy. In all cases the therapy was in response to behavioural issues in the children and focused on looking at the dynamic within the family that may contribute to the behaviour and techniques to hep the parents work together to help the child.

Absolutely agree on the 'how to talk' book - my ds is now 7 and I still use it.

Mercy · 30/04/2007 18:55

Good point Tamum.

GS, have you had any counselling yourself?

Sorry for quick hijack. Is this book any good for dealing with 3 year old boys - or should I just go with the flow for now? (I don't remember dd being such hard work - but if I'm honest I find girls easier to 'understand'?

Greensleeves · 30/04/2007 19:07

No, not since I was at Uni ten years ago. Not in connection with "all that stuff last year".

I suppose if we are going to have family therapy I am going to be forced to go through it all in minute detail anyway. It'll be more than worth it if it helps ds1.

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Tamum · 30/04/2007 19:09

I can completely understand your reaction but I suppose it is always possible that it will help you too?

Greensleeves · 30/04/2007 19:18

I suppose so, I just don't relish the idea. I don't like feeling like an overemotional mess again, my reactions are all wrong and it's making me want to avoid people. I keep sounding weird/saying inappropriate thing/stammering/crying like a nutter. I was rather hoping this process could all be about ds1, and just leave my personal feelings out of it, but it's not working out like that

I think having kids just turns you inside out.

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Saggarmakersbottomknocker · 30/04/2007 19:24

Nothing to add here Greeny other than to say the head sounds fab.

And here's a ((hug)) whether you like them or not!

Tamum · 30/04/2007 19:27

Well, that makes perfect sense but if you will forgive me being brutally honest your post makes it sound as though it will need to be both of you being helped, because it honestly sounds as though to help ds you need to get yourself sorted as best you can. It sounds as though you are feeling really raw though, and that's clearly not a good time to have to open everything up again. Sorry, I'm rambling

Greensleeves · 30/04/2007 19:35

You are spot on Tamum, it's got to be done and I will just have to bite the bullet and get on with it. Hopefully we will all be happier and more at peace with ourselves afterwards. I just have that 'dentist's waiting room' feeling [cowardy-custard emoticon] and also I am very proud and didn't enjoy having the head see me on the back foot IYKWIM.

I am rambling now

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Porcupine · 30/04/2007 19:58

it cna onyl get better greeny

Greensleeves · 30/04/2007 20:02

thank you fishface

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gess · 30/04/2007 20:04

The only thing I would say (having not read whole thread- just your OP) is - do ask yourself about the whole AS thing. I bang on about it becauuse you have mentioned before that you thought that it was a possibility, and I think a parents views are very important.

The worry I have is that if the problem is AS rather than anxiety (and anxiety does go hand in hand with AS), then family therpay is going to do bugger all- when you just need to be taught about AS and given strategies to help with that. If he does have AS he also doesn't need rock hard boundaries necessarily. And stopping talking until he makes eye contact woulf be a terrible terrible terrible thing to do with a child with AS. I still think you need someone qualified to rule that out before you start forcing eye contact etc.

Greensleeves · 30/04/2007 20:17

That is very good advice gess, I had sort of thought "if it is AS or similar, the family therapist might spot what the head wouldn't", but hadn't considered at all that the strategies he suggested would be disastrous with an AS child. Maybe we should hold off on the eye contact thing, or do it very gently and see whether it distresses him?

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Tamum · 30/04/2007 20:24

At the risk of sounding sycophantic I think you are being incredibly brave, not cowardy custardly at all.

cat64 · 30/04/2007 20:32

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gess · 30/04/2007 20:41

I really wouldn;t expect any family therapist to recognise AS. I don't expect anyone except a developmental paediatrician/clinical psych (or another parent of a child with ASD- seriously -- they're often very good!) to spot it, occasionally therapist types do, but often they don't and it can be disasterous.

I'd really want a full developmental assessment to rule out AS etc before taking on family therapy. Ask him about the eye contact. Ask him what happens when he makes eye contact. Does he then find it difficult to concentrate on what people are saying? Suggest that he tries to look at people's noses or eyebrows when they are talking to him (that's what Luke Jackson does). It fools many apparently.

harpsichordcarrier · 30/04/2007 20:49

hi greeny, only just seen this. sorry I don't have much of any use to add.
I think family therapy sounds like a good idea tbh because I think this is something you need to approach as a family, all together.
I think the head sounds great, very supportive.

sending love
HC xx

Marina · 30/04/2007 20:52

It sounds as though you are getting good support from the Head greeny. The book cod recommends is really very good for dealing with small children whose brains have temporarily outstripped their miles on the clock.
I hope you get more good advice on your specific thread about family therapy.

Greensleeves · 30/04/2007 20:54

I am going to get that book, definitely. I need all the help I can get at the moment

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Twiglett · 30/04/2007 20:57

Greeny you can do this you know

You can

And you will

FioFio · 30/04/2007 21:18

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Porcupine · 30/04/2007 21:49

lol T mailes on the clock
ahev just dug it out again
very good on farkign SOcks ont ehfloor( our current bug bear)

berolina · 30/04/2007 22:18

Greeny, if you want to email me with some thoughts/concerns to pass on to dh and see what he thinks (he hasn't actually worked in the field, but he does Know His psychologist Stuff) then please do. I will email you tomorrow. xxx