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Just come back from meeting with ds1's head and teacher, need to splurge about it

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Greensleeves · 30/04/2007 15:17

It was a really long meeting, I think I wittered a bit too much. It was very gruelling and I had to go into detail about things I am just not used to talking to strangers about, I probably came across as a nervous wreck (I am one!)

The head was very helpful and very interested in everything, he made notes and asked us a lot of questions. He thinks we need family therapy to help ds1 (and me) get over the debacle with my mother last year. He is going to talk to the HV/Family Support team [horrified emoticon] about getting it arranged, and possibly some Child Guidance input as well (can anyone tell me more about this? I feel rather out of my depth.)

He also thinks the ground needs to be laid for ds1 starting school in September, he is going to email the G&T coordinator and let him know about ds1's unusual abilities (the head says ds1 is already exceeding the targets for end of reception). He didn't seem all that interested in ds1's actual reading/writing/maths at this stage, he was firmly in favour of the nursery just continuing to work on social skills and behaviour (good!!) and told usus to try not to worry about September, just concentrate on the issues in hand now.

He also said he thinks ds1's emotional development is delayed in that the temper tantrums/bad behaviour/testing etc ds1 is doing is more typical of a 2yo and the reason we are finding it so difficult is because we are getting toddler behaviour/anger in a much older and cognitively advanced child.

He asked us lots of questions about ds1's interests and the questions he asks us, and his obsessions, and his fears, and the triggers for his bad behaviour. We all seemed to be drawing the same conclusions about the root of his behaviour being anxiety, and that the horror with my mother was a big issue for ds1. Also that we need an "ultimate sanction" (naughty stair etc) and to be more authoritative, because a child going through this developmental stage (although he is going through it late) needs the security of rock-hard boundaries. He also said that some of the things ds1 is thinking about, like what happens when we die, and where in the body the mind is located, and what happens in the middle of a black hole, were probably very frightening for a child who despite his intelligence is still very very little emotionally.

So family therapy, child guidance, an email to the G&T person and a review in a couple of weeks to see how we are getting on with some of the behaviour strategies he suggested (things like stopping talking until he makes eye contact, reflecting questions back at him to get an idea of which level he needs an answer at, etc)

If anyone has actually got to the end of this post, well done

If anyone has any ideas or can shed further light on what any of this means, I'd be grateful.

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berolina · 30/04/2007 15:19

quick wave at greeny will read and reply now. just wanted to say it's nice to 'see' you.

Greensleeves · 30/04/2007 15:20

Nice to see you too!! I have been a bit uncommunicative lately (depressed, keep crying and stammering and generally being a social liability, I don't know what's the matter with me at the moment)

I saw on another thread that you are now 20 weeks and well Best news I've heard in ages.

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NappiesGalore · 30/04/2007 15:21

well, i read it... dunno what to say tho

sounds like a lot to handle - you have my respect

SherlockLGJ · 30/04/2007 15:21

I got to the end of it, I can offer nothing.
But I am glad you posted as I was wondering how you were getting on.

You appear to have excellent support at the school. It is important that the horror of last year is laid to rest for once and for all, if I could I would cheerfully wring her neck.

Much love

LGJ

exbury · 30/04/2007 15:25

Sounds like the head (a) knows what he is doing and (b) has nothing but your DS's best interests at heart. So glad you have them on your side.

Greensleeves · 30/04/2007 15:25

They are brilliant, it felt so weird to be talking like that to a nursery teacher and to encounter such interest and expertise . I am very grateful to them.

Doesn't stop me shaking and bursting into tears every five minutes though. I keep running through the whole meeting over and over again picking apart everything that was said and trying to work out whether I came across as a twat or not. I need to get a grip, fast!

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Mercy · 30/04/2007 15:25

Haven't got any ideas or advice I'm afraid but I'm glad to hear your Headteacher is giving you all this support.

I did wonder if the awful situation with your mother had affected your ds when I first saw you post about his behaviour.

gothicmama · 30/04/2007 15:27

whilst your ds is advabced in some things and is intelligent in some areas he is still very little so your response to him need to be gauged to his level you do this by askinghim a question linked to what he has asked you so your answer can be i terms he understands, family support team / hv wil be able to refer you to family therapy services to work with you both on the experience last year and to reach some form of closure.
your ds whilst being intelligent is at a stage were somethings defy logic adn he emotionally can not handle soem of teh qustions he needs to know the answers to so make things a sreassuring as possible, it is importnat to make eye contact when talking so he can learn taht side of socialising

saintmaybe · 30/04/2007 15:28

sounds like he's being very thorough, which can only be good. Did you feel his assessment of your ds was accurate?

Don't have much to offer you, I'm afraid, but best wishes to you

berolina · 30/04/2007 15:28

greeny . The head sounds fab.

I'm afraid I can't shed any light as such as am pretty clueless - could ask dh and email you later?

I suppose his emotional and intellectual development are a bit out of sync, which could be adding to his frustration - those are big philosophical questions he's thinking about. I couldn't say, though, whether he is really 'delayed' emotionally or just reacting to the horrible things you all went through last year - did he actually do that sort of '2yo' stuff at 2yo as well? 'Even' at 4yo they are still little and things can easily seem overwhelming, to which reacting like a 'toddler' might provide security (sorry crap grammar). I really don't know, though, through lack of experience and not 'knowing' him personally - so don't take this as dismissing your concerns - it's just thoughts, rambling.

Whatever - he sounds like an absolute star, and I can't wait to meet him one day

And can I just add a 'well done' for your courage in getting out of the life-draining situation with your mother, and thus protecting him? He's very lucky to have you as his mummy.

Blu · 30/04/2007 15:30

Greensleeves - oh my goodness, it sounds like a lot to take in. I'm so pleased you will now get some support - it must have stirred it all up for you, the identification of the buisness with you mother having such a strong link to your DS's behaviour. No wonder you are tearful.

I remember the crisis with your mother - but I am sorry that I lost the outcome in the sheer size of MN.

berolina · 30/04/2007 15:30

I expect you came across as a mother who wants the best for her lovely boy Nothing twattish about that.

Yes, I'm fine, placenta is being a pain though... (had another bleed today)

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Greensleeves · 30/04/2007 15:40

I think I may still have your email address Dino, will have a hunt for it

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Mumpbump · 30/04/2007 15:45

I think it's entirely understandable that if you have a child who is intellectually able, you expect their emotional maturity to follow suit. But I think it is also quite common for very bright people to be late developers emotionally. So I think your ds sounds pretty normal for someone who is exceptional, iyswim!!

Greensleeves · 30/04/2007 16:08

Has anyone had any experience of family therapy or Child Guidance?

I am a bit worried [understatement]

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Greensleeves · 30/04/2007 16:14

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Greensleeves · 30/04/2007 17:31

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Porcupine · 30/04/2007 17:32

head sounds great GS

Greensleeves · 30/04/2007 17:55

He is cod, unbelievably good. We are quite lucky to have him really, he seems genuinely keen to understand all the children individually and bring them on. And I am NOT the sort of person who usually goes around praising teachers!

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Blu · 30/04/2007 17:56

Greeny - why not start a thread with that exact q as the title?
We'll keep it bumped - someone will have experience.

Greensleeves · 30/04/2007 17:58

Thanks Blu, I might do that.

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Porcupine · 30/04/2007 18:16

greeny
i think workgin wiht him soudns great. and dont worry abotu what you said or didnt say
intersting abotu the tantrums though adn the very rigid approach to them
ds1 who si a summer birthdya was similar
brain ahead of emotions

school did a lot of work on emotional literacya nd his competitiveness thing that gave himso much trauma has almost gone.

i wodner if you can try ( sorry to soudn liek nob) to articulate your feeligns a lot ifposs

ehe you drop egg on floor

" oh greeny is really cross as i dropped that egg and i feel all twisted up inside, is wihs i could tell that egg its a n egg head"

and also we taught ds1 "angry hands" to help him coach

( lessons available on aplication)

Greensleeves · 30/04/2007 18:27

Thank you for that cod how does the angry hands thing work?

Emotional literacy, that's the right phrase. I will definitely try the vocalising feelings thing, he would really enjoy that I think, and would probably join in and do it himself.

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