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If Labour win... are your DCs coming out of Private Education?

394 replies

MrsJamesMathews · 04/06/2017 00:29

Sitting here doing some maths.

It's not looking great.

With increased corporation tax and VAT on school fees, I think we'll be having some very awkward conversations with our DCs schools on Friday.

Anyone else worried?

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NoLotteryWinYet · 09/06/2017 09:06

Hopong for more centrist offerings from both parties in the next election just around the corner...

Wellysocksbox · 09/06/2017 09:24

I love Anna Soubry though. She would be a great leader even though a lot of people don't like her. She seems the only Tory Voice of Reason.

Chaotica · 09/06/2017 09:29

New Labour would not have walked it. They have to show themselves to be a genuine alternative to the Tories which New Labour weren't.

RhythmandStealth Grin

Jng1 · 09/06/2017 09:32

But I don't think a New Labour option WOULD have walked it? A significant part of JC's support came from the hard left (all the Momentum crowd/ trade unions etc) and they hated New Labour...

Chillywhippet · 09/06/2017 09:41

I appreciate I'd find that hard to accept if my own child didn't have the resilience or intellect to cope in an environment where they have to compete on equal terms with the majority.

mini these are my DCS. Not intellect per se but academic ability in terms of being able to demonstrate their ability undress exams conditions due to processing problems. They are bright but have sensory, Attentional and dyslexic difficulties.

Their peer groups are very able and my DC really suffer with self esteem and stress due to getting lower grades. They get asked by peers, "What happened in that test. You are smart (or the smartest)."

They don't qualify for much help at school. They'll get 5 GCSES. The lovely teachers are being asked to do more and more with less and less, support staff has been slashed, Michael Gove has increased the penalty for poor spelling in English language to 50% even if you have a dyslexia diagnosis.

We have done 3 good primaries and 2 good comps. But DC4 will go to private school. I'm sick of the lack of resources, sick of supply teachers, sick of paying for tutors and providing extra curricula stuff. I'm going to pay handsomely to buy the kind of educational experience all kids should have as I just cannot watch another DC with SEN be failed by a state school. I'm done.

NoLotteryWinYet · 09/06/2017 10:00

If we had a new labour option with some of JC's spending commitments it would have been popular based on last night's results. I don't know how much of the youth vote was momentum related and how much was students voting for free tuition - we might get more clarity on that at some point.

wisteriainbloom · 09/06/2017 11:49

*Today 02:59 RhythmAndStealth

Christ. I would respond to this thread but I can't find a violin small enough. 😂

Yeah, hilarious isn't it, my dd2 class has four children with ASD in it (including her).

Bloody hilarious.

wisteriainbloom · 09/06/2017 11:50

Chillywhippet it repeatedly gets ignored that private schools are catering for a lot of children with additional needs, it doesn't suit the agenda.

Jng1 · 09/06/2017 12:14

32% of pupils in HMC (independent) schools across the UK receive help with their fees, totalling £442 million - (from this month's privateschoolsmagazine.com)

I'll bet many of these are bright, but have some sort of learning support need which is not catered for in state schools.

KarlosKKrinkelbeim · 09/06/2017 15:01

Who are these people laughing at the kids with special needs and what the fuck is wrong with them?
I always said the left was nasty - by god as I right

Chillywhippet · 09/06/2017 16:29

I have always voted Labour and never saw myself as someone who would use private schools.
I can see there are principles around VAT, charitable status etc but really it's a side show.

The real principle, the real tragedy, is that every child in Britain doesn't have a truly excellent and valued teacher in every lesson. Especially the ones who aren't intellectual and resilient who most need it.

Well supported, middle class children doing really well in state grammars or in the grammar school stream of a comp (set 1) is a distraction.

minifingerz · 09/06/2017 19:56

"I'll bet many of these are bright, but have some sort of learning support need which is not catered for in state schools"

Whatever their 'special need' is it doesn't stop them achieving highly in entrance exams.

Plenty of low achieving and middle achieving dc's with SEN at state primaries. I've not yet come across ONE with a bursery to a mainstream private school.

VanillaSugar · 09/06/2017 20:21

Actually, I know of three boys who were academically average but who received full bursaries, minifingerz

Two of them did not stay on after year 11 and the other went to a bog standard former poly. But the school made a very positive difference to their lives.

wisteriainbloom · 09/06/2017 21:18

Isn't that nasty to put 'special need' in quotes like that. What a horrible person you must be mini.

Jng1 · 09/06/2017 21:21

I think we already established that about mini downthread Hmm

Not all independent schools are selective, so not necessarily any entrance exam...

KarlosKKrinkelbeim · 10/06/2017 06:13

No inverted commas to be put round asd. Its impacts are pretty profound but we've been lucky to find an open minded non selective school that's helped us build the right programme around ds.
Hard to believe some people still need this stuff explaining isn't it

minifingerz · 10/06/2017 20:38

My own child has a diagnosis of ASD so I'm hardly likely to see it as irrelevant to their education or well-being.

The point I was making is that the bursary system is not being used for those children in society who are most in need of largesse from an education charity, ie, low achieving children from deprived families.

I have yet to come across a single private school which awards generous bursaries to children with ASD who are struggling with low achievement and behavioural problems in the state sector. All the children I know who are at private schools are there because their usually middle-class and extremely well informed parents have managed to secure state funding for them through an EHCP, and they are not generally at mainstream schools.

All the children I know with bursaries at private schools are high achieving in at least one area: music, sport, or academia, and have parents who are fiercely supportive.

If anyone can point me in the direction of a mainstream private school which offers generous bursaries to children like the ones at my dc's state school - disadvantaged children with learning difficulties and often behavioural problems, who would really benefit from the wrap around care, lots of teacher attention, small classes and calm atmosphere of a private school, I'd be very impressed. As far as I'm aware no private school welcomes kids like this, regardless of how much the child might benefit from that sort of environment.

Charity only goes so far....

platinum3 · 18/06/2017 23:35

New related private education thread in Talk - The Staffroom on CE/Common Entrance exams. All interested Prep/independent senior staff, independent school parents, independent HTs, former independent school pupils and exam board staff welcome.

Dapplegrey2 · 19/06/2017 11:41

I appreciate I'd find that hard to accept if my own child didn't have the resilience or intellect to cope in an environment where they have to compete on equal terms with the majority.

What a truly vile comment minifingerz.

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