If Labour win... are your DCs coming out of Private Education?

[MrsJamesMathews]

Sitting here doing some maths.

It's not looking great.

With increased corporation tax and VAT on school fees, I think we'll be having some very awkward conversations with our DCs schools on Friday.

Anyone else worried?

Jng 1

So sorry for your son, I'm pleased he is in a better environment now.
I don't think people realise that there can be more than one reason for choosing a private education, just the same as people choose particular state schools.

how would you feel if the government effectively forced your children to go to a different school in the name of so called fairness?

If the current Government's cuts to schools are implemented that's exactly what I'm going to have to tell my son, because the impact on his school is enormous, the school budget is already very lean with lots of parent fundraising going on, classes are totally full, and there is no way they'll be able to maintain the quality of education or, frankly, safeguarding. Keeping him in the state sector will be too much of a gamble.

We had budgeted for private for secondary but not for primary. I'm not sure how we'll do it, but needs must. Thankfully we just about have the option, far too many don't.

Sorry, that sounded really unsympathetic and I didn't mean it to at all. Just making the point that no matter what the result a lot of people will be facing horrible choices about education. We are short about 200 places a year in our borough, but we can't get new schools built where they're needed under the current arrangements. It's all a total mess really.

I don't think you need to worry, though. I reckon TM will get quite a strong majority.

gillybeanz - thanks. It's not my son though, it's his friend from school. His parents really have scrimped to send him there with the help of the bursary but they would really struggle to find the extra if their share of the fees goes up.
He's a lovely lad and has grown in confidence so much in the last couple of years. He had a big part in the school play last term and his mum was in tears at the interval saying that in the previous 13 years of his life he would NEVER have been willing or had the confidence to draw attention to himself like that.

The MN attitude that every private school family are range rover-driving, loaded rich bastards just p*sses me off so much. There are so many reasons people end up paying TWICE for education, through tax and then fees.

You'd think some bright spark in Government would have worked out by now that the more invested in education equals a more productive future for everyone.

You reap what you sow. You have to speculate to accumulate. He who dares Rodney.

But, no. Apparently that's too difficult for them to work out.

Perhaps we should just start our own Mumsnet Party.

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Teach them well and let them lead the way

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I believe the children are our future
Teach them well and let them lead the way

The MN attitude that every private school family are range rover-driving, loaded rich bastards just psses me off so much. There are so many reasons people end up paying TWICE for education, through tax and then fees*

Unfortunately Jng1 it's not just MN

While our local schools are fine, the wrap around care is not and we both teach so I would mean me giving up my job.
We chose private as there's one right next door to my partners work place, so it's more convenient and no wrap around care is needed. Obviously we liked it and class sizes are smaller etc., but convenience is a big part of our decision.
We'd massively struggle with the increase and probably not manage to be honest

Just drinking all the wine in the house. No reason

One of the big reasons for me was only being offered a CofE primary. I wasn't happy but tried. It grated on me constantly. It certainly wasn't the only reason we moved him but it was a def factor.

Vote Tory and it's just different people suffering, for different reasons.

"The MN attitude that every private school family are range rover-driving, loaded rich bastards just p*sses me off so much"

I don't think as many people believe that as you imagine.

I think what people object to is the basic unfairness of those children who have most - intelligence, work ethic, family support, and sometimes (usually) wealthy parents - having literally twice as much spent on their education as children in state schools, and then going on to leap frog over the backs of kids from the state sector WHO ARE JUST AS DESERVING to snaffle a disproportionate number of the best university places, apprenticeships and jobs, because that have had more money spent on them.

It's just wrong. Unfair.

It's also wrong to sustain a system where children are educated in socially segregated schools. It's not good for society.

Even state education is socially segregated and there isn't much that can be done to change that without transporting children across the miles at great financial and environmental cost to ensure that each state school has an equal mix of abilities and familial wealth. Currently the best state schools are mainly in areas where ordinary average earning families can't afford to live.

Christ. I would respond to this thread but I can't find a violin small enough.

Yesterday 21:48 roundaboutthetown

Vote Tory and it's just different people suffering, for different reasons.

Disabled people losing their independence their dignity and even their lives , that is suffering.
Little Johnny leaving his mates to go to state comp - suffering? Really?

Christ. I would respond to this thread but I can't find a violin small enough. 😂

Well, my darlings. What do we do now?

Why sad face? I would think this will slip off the radar now.

is the notion of taking your kid with asd out of the only school you could find that could meet his needs, that you work your arse off to pay for, one which amuses you, rhthymandstealth?
Life must have treated you very badly to make you so unpleasant. I can afford to be charitable, given it's now clear I won't have to do that - yet, at least

I think that there will be another election in October and Labour will win. So all this election has done is to prolong the inevitable.

Yes, I think it's a stay of execution, not a reprieve.

I doubt very much this will be a priority area in the short term. Especially as the likeliest outcome now is weak Tory government.

If that government falls (no confidence vote?) then this policy is quite likely to feature in future manifestos.

Would anyone call a no-confidence vote during Brexit negotiations? The clock is ticking, there's a lot to be done and there are 92 weeks in which to do it. I'm not sure it wouldn't be a terribly good idea to use 6-8 weeks of those in purdah for another election

Labour will need to come back to the centre to win, which would probably mean replacing Jeremy Corbyn. If the conservatives rid themselves of May, her cabinet and her manifesto and appoint someone sensible that eases off austerity and hard brexit they could well win a future election. Luckily for them May is a lone wolf/little dictator and therefore she will bear most of the responsibility rather than the party.

It's a shame that there wasn't a New Labour option as they would have walked it. I hate the bloody Tories but couldn't have voted for a hard left labour either.

Yes, imagine the trouncing if any of the lab moderates had been in charge.