Ok 4 day week threat or possible?

[3asAbird]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-39055714

At first I thought nutter seeking publicity about school cuts.

We live in Bristol but heard same from some school in Cheshire / Sussex last 6months

Did wonder is it legal?
Would working parents put up with 4 day week or compulsory parental contribution?

Today a teacher told me due to academies aft an academy can structure their school however they see fit.

So set their own hours
Decide on structure of school day.

I assume if 4 day week they be longer days or kids in neighbouring county or different academy chain be getting more education how the heck is this fair?

DS1 does a half day Friday but does have a longer day through the rest of the week. Some of the pupils are boarders, who travel a fair distance, so this allows them to have more of a weekend at home.

I could see the sense of 4 days of 9-5 for older kids, but it would be hellish for little ones.

Better to be paid for 4 days a week than be made redundant, surely? Would give more time for all the stuff teachers have to do when not face to face in the classroom

Are you suggesting that teachers should be paid for four days but spend their fifth unpaid day marking and planning?

I work a 4 day week. It is the future .

The schools can also offer 'childcare' on the '5th' day, which doesn't come from school budget but from parents paying for it - afterall its childcare not education! This would also give the school an income.

letseatgramdma thats not different to now though?? Or do you mean there would be no ppa at all?

My 6th form was a 4 day week for students. 9-5 each day.

You've lost me.

Now teachers (full time) are paid for 5 days and teach for 5 (well, 4.5 with with 1/2 PPA).

The poster I quoted was suggesting teachers would be paid for 4 days but could spend their newly unpaid 5th day 'off' doing teaching work.

If that was me and I was forced to take a pay (and day) cut, I would be spending my 5th day trying to find work elsewhere so I could pay the mortgage!

letseatgramdma thats not different to now though??

How?!

I could see the sense of 4 days of 9-5 for older kids, but it would be hellish for little ones.

I think the 4 day idea is terrible, however a lot of kids (in Indy schools) do those ^ hours for 5 days a week from year 2 ish upwards and it is not a problem.

We (Council in Scotland) are moving to 4.5 days after the summer. Partly to save money (heat, light etc) and partly to make the week exactly fit the hours teachers are contracted to teach.

How will that work in practice, Hamlet? Will you be paid .5 of a day less and go home at 12 on a Friday with the children? How goes it affect your PPA/equivalent time?

Is that every school in the council?

As a parent I would love this for my own children because 2 days just doesn't seem enough for them to do their activities and relax.
As a teacher I would hate it. For lots of the children I work with and have worked with on the past, school is their only safe, happy place. I worry over school holidays and weekends already, an extra day a week would be awful for many.
Hopefully it's just an empty threat.

I think that without 'childcare' for the 5th day, the country would soon grind to a halt as parents would be unable to work. I can't actually see it happening.

More likely that teachers are sacked and replaced with TAs who are paid half the money, or even less to save money.

Which would parents prefer, I wonder?!

Letseatgrandma - are you suggesting that teachers currently only work five days a week from 9-3 and never in school holidays?! Or are you suggesting that if paid for one day less a week, they should suddenly work to rule in a way they are not doing now?

Wasn't that ha least master plan to do longer days - but for two sets of kids - or 8/1 Class A then 2/7 for class B to use schools for all the extra places needed??

Now it's 4 days - no extra teachers and budget cuts?

I can see parents having to shore up schools and it won't be good for smaller schools or poorer communities. The gap just keeps getting wider

rollonthesummer because i dont know any teachers except pe who dont already do about 6 hours work on a sunday.

The reality is, schools will get rid of support staff, including pastoral support, first. Then they will get rid of entire subjects that aren't compulsory, particularly if they require lots of resources/equipment. Then they will let everything run down until it stops working altogether. And they will ask parents to consider making donations. And teachers will keep leaving the profession, of course.

If it happened, there would be loads of work going for underemployed teachers in wealthier areas, in childcare and private tutoring. [not being serious]

Ive already been asked for a donation towards my dc's primary school due to the school getting less money.