Private school wants to open free school near me. Why?

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A private school on the other side of the city wants to open a free school near where I live. The idea is quite appealing as there isn't a well regarded school near here and many children bus out to other areas. But I can't help feeling a bit uneasy about the proposal. What's in it for them? They talk about it being a beneficial partnership for both sides but the focus is on sharing knowledge and a moral drive to raise standards across the board. It seems a bit unlikely that they would invest so much effort into this for such woolly reasons.

this does sound like a really good idea, i cant believe haters are so against it.

"The militant socialists are trying to take over."

Oh now, don't panic.

The private education sector is growing.

The government wants to introduce more selection.

Educational inequality between rich and poor is growing ever deeper and wider.

Why aren't you celebrating?

I think the school is question doesn't have experience of troubled families with chaotic home lives and low learning commitment that they will have in this location. Some of the stories you hear about children in that area would make you weep and teachers have a massive challenge at nearby schools that take them. But doubtless there are kids amongst them with talent and potential who would benefirfor from going to a local school . Anybody doing something for these kids would be a bonus.
No matter the brand name though, I don't think people living in other areas would want to go there due to the high levels of crime, deprivation, drug use, anti social behaviour etc so it will likely be a local school only.

ohh here comes minifingerz who hates anyone who earns more than £10,000 a year, the privileged left wingers

Mathsmum, have you been drinking?

Well let them have a go then !

I actually think certain posters are worried that 'Private' schools might do a better job than a 'Union Shop' state system .

If private schools and their methods ultimately prove successful . The militant state system will have been proved to more interested in their own ideological beliefs than educating children correctly.

As i have said and Mathsmum probably agrees want less 'Private' schools build more 'Grammar Schools', you can't have it all your own way.

This is unless Comrade Corbyn imposes forced 'Compresization' of all schools, making spending money on education a crime punishable with 5 years in a 'Momentum' re education camp.

minifingerz, yes I have.

Apologies for swearing. Am pissed off that noble says anyone who works in the private sector is selfish and a pleb. And how you, who expresses that private schools are evil for trying to help society and evil for not helping society.

sandyholme,

yes, very scared about the re-education camps JC could force everyone into. Its like a diff4erent century

"f private schools and their methods ultimately prove successful . The militant state system will have been proved to more interested in their own ideological beliefs than educating children correctly."

What or who is the "militant state system"?

Are you referring to teachers and education professionals?

Parents like myself who feel selective education is not good for the majority of children?

Jc is unelectable so nobody gives a rats arse what he says about anything he has zero influence.

"Am pissed off that noble says anyone who works in the private sector is selfish and a pleb"

Did she actually say that?

Or are you making things up paraphrasing?

Re: selfish - you've never hidden the fact that your views are primarily about what is right for your children. Perhaps if you want to avoid accusations of selfishness you need to broaden out your argument and show how an expansion of selective schooling will benefit the majority of children rather than just a small subset.

Am pissed off that noble says anyone who works in the private sector is selfish and a pleb

Yeah, except I didn't say that. For a start the definition of pleb is 'a commoner, not a member of the ruling classes'. If you misunderstand that, perhaps you misunderstood other stuff.

And I'm not a militant socialist. I'm not even a Labour supporter.

well i thought teachers were pretty equal, some caring, some not, some good, some not etc...

Nobel has been educating us that private teachers are selfish and don't care about wider society. So I guess the state teachers are enforcers of the state system?

I have no idea if they are part of momentum but given nobels comments, I have to wonder!

mouldy Talking to people they are interested in the school though and are not too put off by the location. Maybe they're not really aware of just how serious the problems on their doorstep are. There is a large and increasingly affluent area very near by that currently does not have an obvious school choice at secondary level.

"And how you, who expresses that private schools are evil for trying to help society and evil for not helping society."

Yikes!

"Am pissed off that noble says anyone who works in the private sector is selfish and a pleb"

yes she/he has called them selfish and plebs, repeatedly, read the thread.

FYI my youngest DC is in Y10 at a comprehensive, so nothing I propose will affect my children. NO plans to have more.

if you want to avoid accusations of selfishness you need to broaden out your argument and show how an expansion of selective schooling will benefit the majority of children rather than just a small subset.

I will make (and have) made the argument that selective education benefits society. Socialists just dont like delayed gratification. If I dont reply tonight its because I have gone to bed.

Just saw nobels post about how he/she is insulting people, and i am even stupider because I dont understand the insult he/she is giving.

Which reinforces how elitist he/she is, like JC sending his children private.

Yes I think in theory people not from the immediate locale may think it sounds good but two mins driving round it will change their minds. I doubt many people in neighbouring nicer areas set foot there currently, would they want their eleven year old walking to school there? Would they park their car there? Unlikely. I would not let my children go to that area. Have been a couple times myself and couldn't get out quick enough. They have those shops that people run in their front rooms, because proper shops won't open there. Very sad and I think the school will be beneficial but it would take serious social change over a long time to attract a wider student population. Could happen though as a really excellent school would drive the area up. I hope it does.

"I will make (and have) made the argument that selective education benefits society"

Of course you are entitled to do this, but you're going to need some proof.

I think you're also going to have to admit that some outstandingly bright kids thrive in non-selective schools and go on to make a huge contribution to society.

The school won't be selective.
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I've just done a search of this thread and I've not once used the word selfish. Also, I know what the word pleb means, so I wouldn't use it to describe people at private school.

And I don't like JC, but he didn't send his kids private.

Mouldy, sorry that was a response to Mathsmum

Are there many existing examples of state schools sponsored by private schools? I am sure I have read in the paper about Westminster sponsoring a 6th form and the LEA 6th form in Stratford sponsored by Eton amongst others.

It seems these are going fine, but I wonder about less rich and successful private schools giving this a try. It might not actually be in the interests of the state school pupils.

Doesn't haberdashers sponsor state schools?

Is this the school which is opening in a place where there were riots relatively recently?

Are you saying that they will try and send children to that school rather than let them come to the private on bursaries?

The Haberdashers Aske state schools are sponsored by the Haberdashers Livery Company, not by the independent schools of the same name.