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In praise of comprehensive schools

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FreshHorizons · 23/08/2016 14:51

It was cheering to see the Sutton Trust announce that 60% of Team GB medalists came from comprehensive schools.

I have finally come off a thread where certain people can't find a good word to say about comprehensive schools. They equate them with mixed ability teaching, poor behaviour and an inability to stretch bright children.

I would like a thread to celebrate the best of comprehensive education.

In my case it allowed my 3 , very different, children to be able to go to the same school without being judged by outsiders. It meant the stability of knowing one school over a long period of time and them knowing our family. It meant that days off and parent evenings didn't clash and that money was saved by handing down uniform. They were able to move up with the bulk from their primary school. They were able to mix with children of different abilities and backgrounds, as you do in adult life. It meant being able to enjoy education for the joy of learning new things, without the stress of an exam that would determine their path in life, aged only 10 or 11yrs.

Those things didn't really matter, although they were helpful.

What really mattered was that they could all blossom at their own rate.
They all got a good education and are now happily established in careers- the careers that they chose.

It wasn't all about the academic side- there were opportunities in sport, music, outdoor activities etc.

It would be nice to have some success stories. Please don't post about crap schools- start another thread for that if you have grievances you want to air.

It is the summer, the sun is out and some happy, optimistic stories would be nice. Smile

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gillybeanz · 08/09/2016 21:59

Mum

I can imagine it is like that in many areas, I know you all speak the truth, but not everywhere is the same.
I know what they will say here. They'll want the grammar but for all the wrong reasons. "Why should they have them when we don't", many wouldn't encourage their children "It's not for you love" "Get yourself a job in pie shop and meet a local lad". It's wrong and not fair on those who want to encourage their children, but these are a minority and not catered for at all.
Not everywhere anyway. "lowest common denominator" doesn't work
I'm a product of this too, although my parents weren't like those. You can't help where you come from.
I do see why others disagree though, it's just how I feel.

Peregrina · 08/09/2016 22:08

Jasper It will be the boys, of course, who go to university, or become officers in the forces. The gels will be the ones who get the jobs in the little boutique shops, just filling in time until they make a 'good marriage'.

sandyholme · 08/09/2016 22:11

An opinion poll carried out by ICM found 70% of those questioned support the retention of the 232 grammar schools in England and Northern Ireland as self-governing state schools and additional, voluntary choice for parents.

Only 19% oppose the idea and 10% don't know.

Asked if they would support the introduction of some new state grammar schools, especially in urban areas where there currently are none, 76% supported the idea, 17% opposed it and 6% didn't know.

Support for grammars is strong across all age and income groups with a remarkable 85% of 18 to 24 year-olds (many of whom will be first-time voters) wanting more grammar schools.

Blu · 08/09/2016 22:21

"You could probably save money by suggesting that the local comprehensive stream by manners."

Half the time, this is what the whole grammar hysteria is about. The educational data doesn't support a move to a grammar system, there is no evidence for grammars promoting social mobility - so we must assume that it is Sandyholme's Q4 that s behind the whole thing.

However girls in my selective school caused serious fire by smoking in the cellar, and the bullying was so bad that a girl was dangled out of a first floor window on a rope made by coat belts knotted together. All the perpetrators of these horrors (and many many more like it) were too clever to get caught. Advocates for grammars as a way of escaping bad behaviour need to be careful what they wish for.

gillybeanz · 08/09/2016 22:22

Sandy
I'm 50 and we want some in Lancashire and Greater Manchester please, pretty please.
It doesn't affect my family one way or the other, I feel quite strongly about it though and I'm not really political, so make of that what you like. Grin
I'm very interested in education, wish I'd studied it further.

JasperDamerel · 08/09/2016 22:23

I wonder if they would have got the same level of support for a proposal to turn the majority of local catchment schools in each area into secondary moderns.

MumTryingHerBest · 08/09/2016 22:24

sandyholme Support for grammars is strong across all age and income groups with a remarkable 85% of 18 to 24 year-olds (many of whom will be first-time voters) wanting more grammar schools.

Given that most people think that more Grammar Schools will mean more choice shows that the support is based on ignorance. Choice doesn't exist when it comes to school places. For choice to exist there will need to be a surplace of school places which goes against existing planning strategies.

Are Grammar Schools really going to be opened without first demonstrating that it won't just leave other schools with a large number of places left unfilled?

If existing schools do struggle to fill spaces as a result of the new Grammar Schools how will that affect their funding and their long term prospects?

Blu · 08/09/2016 22:27

"An opinion poll carried out by ICM For the National Grammar Schools Association found 70% of those questioned support the retention of the 232 grammar schools in England and Northern Ireland as self-governing state schools"

MumTryingHerBest · 08/09/2016 22:31

gillybeanz Thu 08-Sep-16 22:22:05 Sandy I'm 50 and we want some in Lancashire and Greater Manchester please, pretty please.

I think you mean you want more Grammar schools in Lancashire and Greater Manchester:

www.elevenplusexams.co.uk/forum/11plus/viewforum.php?f=20&sid=fc5484dbec8e4ff91aabb88cfd31cb5d

www.elevenplusexams.co.uk/forum/11plus/viewforum.php?f=25

sandyholme · 08/09/2016 22:34

Thank You Gilly for finishing off my 'Different Strokes' piece .

My children are in years 13, 11, and 9 and in grammar schools so in many ways it does not effect my family either!

Hopefully DD 1 won't have a baby until she finishes her 'Masters' so that's 5 years plus 10 = at least 15 years before the subject of schools will cross my mind again !

Though i do believe the ideas now being proposed , should have happened '17 'years ago instead they 'banned' any chance of a different education in East Lancs !.

gillybeanz · 08/09/2016 22:50

Mum

They are nowhere near us, North lancs is further up than us, we don't have any grammars near us.
We don't come anywhere near the Trafford Schools/ area either.

sandyholme · 08/09/2016 22:59

Gilly . MR Flip Flop territory by any chance !

He the one who will work for 'every body' whether new or old, but has decided i like power so has thrown his hat in to result that will be a forgone conclusion.

Peregrina · 08/09/2016 23:01

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2016/sep/08/steve-bell-on-the-tories-education-policy-cartoon
A Steve Bell cartoon on the Tories education policy.

gillybeanz · 08/09/2016 23:08

Sandy

I don't know, sorry. You are probably right though.
it's still like the 70's in places.
Dh moved away, (I'm from similar area in Cheshire) and came back to one town and he swears, nothing had changed.
We do have electric now though. You might be surprised at how many outdoor wash houses are still here, toilet still there. I uncovered an anderson shelter a few days ago. There's a clog maker, that must give it away Grin

MumTryingHerBest · 08/09/2016 23:13

gillybeanz Thu 08-Sep-16 22:50:48 Mum. They are nowhere near us.

I didn't say they were. I was responding to your post "we want some in Lancashire and Greater Manchester please".

As I've highlighted, there are some in Lancashire and Greater Manchester.

sandyholme · 08/09/2016 23:17

Do you have a 'PIER' Gilly ?

The Centre of NORTHERN SOUL !

in which case your MP is Lisa Nandy not 'Burnham '

gillybeanz · 09/09/2016 13:42

Sandy

Ha Ha, no Pier but famous for having one Grin
Although Lisa Nandy is the MP, we are actually Burnham territory for part of the week. (two different addresses) registered to vote for Andy.
It's funny hearing the old dears referring to little Andy done good, Grin
"Eh, th'wants get our Andy sort out that westminster lot".
Definitely centre of Northern Soul and there is a weekend coming up reliving the days, think it may be this weekend actually.
I'm too young and not from round here, so know little of the Casino days.

sandyholme · 09/09/2016 15:10

I live in a town with the longest 'pleasure' pier in the world.

I love Northern Soul and listen online to radio Manchester/Stoke Northern Soul shows tonight and tomorrow .

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