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In praise of comprehensive schools

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FreshHorizons · 23/08/2016 14:51

It was cheering to see the Sutton Trust announce that 60% of Team GB medalists came from comprehensive schools.

I have finally come off a thread where certain people can't find a good word to say about comprehensive schools. They equate them with mixed ability teaching, poor behaviour and an inability to stretch bright children.

I would like a thread to celebrate the best of comprehensive education.

In my case it allowed my 3 , very different, children to be able to go to the same school without being judged by outsiders. It meant the stability of knowing one school over a long period of time and them knowing our family. It meant that days off and parent evenings didn't clash and that money was saved by handing down uniform. They were able to move up with the bulk from their primary school. They were able to mix with children of different abilities and backgrounds, as you do in adult life. It meant being able to enjoy education for the joy of learning new things, without the stress of an exam that would determine their path in life, aged only 10 or 11yrs.

Those things didn't really matter, although they were helpful.

What really mattered was that they could all blossom at their own rate.
They all got a good education and are now happily established in careers- the careers that they chose.

It wasn't all about the academic side- there were opportunities in sport, music, outdoor activities etc.

It would be nice to have some success stories. Please don't post about crap schools- start another thread for that if you have grievances you want to air.

It is the summer, the sun is out and some happy, optimistic stories would be nice. Smile

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HPFA · 04/09/2016 16:24

What better way to celebrate my 50th Birthday than with another great school:

www.qpcs.brent.sch.uk/index.php?i=639

I've decided to celebrate this milestone rather than cry in the corner so here's to Fresh Bertrand , Sandy and all the other posters who have ensured that this thread has been many things but never boring.

TaIkinPeace · 04/09/2016 17:06

Wow HPFA they got 5 kids with the A^ impressed
and Queens Park is an area that interests me work wise so thank you for the link

sandyholme
Fascinating link
but you have still not even attempted to answer the questions about what happens to the non Grammar 6th pupils in Thanet and Canterbury.
What are their outcomes and destinations?
or do you like most Grammar supporters not give a toss about them

sandyholme · 04/09/2016 19:06

Non Grammar school pupils Thanet

www.hartsdown.org/6th-form/ Academy

www.ursuline.kent.sch.uk/about/sixth-form/

Sixth Form Overview
Induction Packs
Year 12 Induction Pack

Year 12 Handbook

Year 13 Induction Pack

Year 13 Handbook

St George’s Church of England Foundation School offers an 11-19 education providing a range of opportunities and experiences at Post 16. The 6th Form provides a variety of qualifications at all levels allowing students to progress into employment and higher education. The School’s values are based on “nothing but our best will do” where there are high standards of academic excellence, uniform and discipline.

In 2015 our average total points score was 798. The number of students who gained a Distinction or Distinction * in their vocational subjects was 100%.

The 6th Form provides an ongoing and highly structured programme of preparation for higher education so that our students are well informed and confident when it comes to choosing and applying to college and university.

St Georges C of E Foundation School is a founder member of the Thanet Post 16 Consortium, which widens curriculum opportunities in partnership with other local schools and colleges.

For subject information please see the Courses page.

The Curriculum
The 6th Form offers both Advanced and Vocational subjects, as well as GCSE re-sits. Student subject choices have been developed to suit all student needs and progression routes. Collaboration with local institutions allows even wider provision and breadth of student. Canterbury Christ Church University and Connexions help to run taster sessions, UCAS, workshops on employment, apprenticeships, CV writing and gap years. As a result, the School has been commended for the opportunities that are provided in enriching student learning.

Student Welfare
The 6th Form has a sense of community with excellent staff and student relationships based on Christian ideals. Students are provided with a tutor to discuss setting individual targets, progress, work issues and all aspects of school life. Target setting and UCAS evenings take place in year 13, along with parents’ evenings for Years 12 and 13.

Student Activities
The 6th Form offers a range of activities for students, including competitive sports teams, social events and trips. Sports teams compete County wide and students participate in music and drama events. Annual trips are offered to a “Licence to Kill” production by the Kent Fire Brigade and Higher Education Fayre at UKC.

The 6th Form is connected to a range of outside agencies and students are encouraged to become Reading Champions working with local primary schools. The 6th Form also provides help to the Family of Church Schools with reading, sports events and sports days.

Students are involved in raising large amounts of money for charity each year and have been praised for their community work and helping to raise money for Global Challenge – a school and hostel in Uganda.

About Year 12
Head of Year Rob Norman
Year Support Lesley Buckingham

12.1 Emily Dickinson / Rob Kirby
12.2 Philippa Deed
12.3 Amy Tye
12.4 John Desmond

The year 12 team strive to support students through the transition from KS4 to KS5 ensuring they optimise their chances to fulfil their potential. We want to help students progress and develop, both academically and socially. This is aided by the range of non academic activities that all Year 12 students are expected to participate in. Additionally all students will be provided with careers guidance to help prepare them once they have left St. George’s.

About Year 13
Head of Year Danielle Hyde
Year support Lesley Buckingham

In Year 13 our main focus is ensuring that all students maximise their potential in their academic and vocational subjects. We track progress, attainment and students are expected to attend intervention programmes to help those not yet meeting their target grades. All students are encouraged to apply to University and are provided with Careers guidance to ensure all students have a destination to proceed to once leaving School.

Students are expected to complete a minimum of 3 hours homework per subject each week. You can find copies of the homework timetable on the links shown.

Our students are encouraged to participate in a range of non academic activities, Sports and charities and are supported by the Head of School – Callum Noble, Deputies - Javed Seid and Amy Kehoe.

sandyholme · 04/09/2016 19:08

Canterbury non Grammar options.

www.canterburyacademysixthform.co.uk/#!canterbury-academy-sixth-form-sports/c312

sandyholme · 04/09/2016 19:11

www.hartsdown.org/best-ever-a-level-results/

TaIkinPeace · 04/09/2016 19:12

The 6th Form provides an ongoing and highly structured programme of preparation for higher education so that our students are well informed and confident when it comes to choosing and applying to college and university.
and for the 2/3 who will do neither?
you are still sweeping them under the carpet ...

Where do the kids go to do hairdressing / mechanics / tractor driving / spray painting ?

Big copy and paste does not impress anybody when it has no information ....
where do the C&G kids go nowadays I knew when I lived in Deal but that is a long time ago

sandyholme · 04/09/2016 19:25

I do live 90 miles away from Thanet , an area i don't really know !

That is why i was expecting Bertrand as a 'native' to have been able to answer your query on your point of admissions.

I do know two areas '216 and 225' miles respectively to the north west very well though !

Actually I would prefer to be back living there !

BertrandRussell · 04/09/2016 19:32

There are, i think, 4 FE colleges- Canterbury College, West Kent College, East Kent College and Mid Kent College, offering a range of courses. Up until this year, they all offered A levels as well, but all but 1 has dropped as levels.

TaIkinPeace · 04/09/2016 19:34

sandy
you are the one who said it works.
provide the evidence.

I'm not certain exactly which village Bertrand lives in, but a she says the system is a disaster, the onus is not on her

Comps provide better opportunities for all.
Grammar schools encourage blinkered vision by those who can afford to make the cut

yes, my kids might have got better grades at a grammar
DD got 3 x A* and 10 x A at GCSE
DS got 4 x A* and 4 x A at GCSE
then DD got A* A and B B at A2
but they are much more rounded individuals than I ever was from selective education so I am delighted that they went to Comps

BertrandRussell · 04/09/2016 19:41

And there is UCA which has pre degree courses that attract a lot of grammar school types.

OjosCansados · 04/09/2016 19:52

Late to this thread but I'm c&p'ing from a thread I posted in earlier, but I feel adds to the spirit of this one:

Our local comprehensive had excellent results this year; it's no coincidence that nearly all the pupils from motivated, educated families did brilliantly and to the extent that they probably couldn't have bettered their grades if they'd gone private. The school also offers a huge array of extra-curricular options including cadet force, DofE and opportunities to participate on trips such as skiing and (for example this year) environmental expeditions to South America. There is an excellent theatre studio as well as sports facilities such as pool, gym, playing fields etc. Their team sports aren't great admittedly though!

I will also add that my dc enjoy a range of extra curricular activities such as riding, football, swimming and playing musical instruments... The total cost of these comes to about £2800 a year for them both. We would still have to pay for music, swimming and riding lessons on top even if they went private!

OjosCansados · 04/09/2016 19:53

Wow - amazing results TalkinPeace. Congrats to your dc Flowers

TaIkinPeace · 04/09/2016 19:54

OK, I'm bored.
sandy and bertrand
All you had to do was find this link ...
www.eastkent.ac.uk/
Its where the vast majority of East Kent kids end up

BertrandRussell · 04/09/2016 20:14

Interestingly,nTalkin, that was one of the colleges I mentioned in my reply.

I think it is one of the ones that has now stopped offering A levels.

TaIkinPeace · 04/09/2016 20:19

why should it offer A levels - they are irrelevant.

Round here Sparsholt has never offered A levels and has never sent a kid to a Russel Group Uni
on the other hand kids move 200 miles to get in there as they are the best at what they do
City College, Eastleigh College have never offered A levels - why would they
they do C&G or BTEC

over 60% of kids will not go to Uni
and if they are not on a Uni track they should be on the track that makes them most employable at 18
A levels may not be that

its a great shame that the grammar debate makes parents fixate on top unis and RG and thus utterly ignore / neglect the reality

which is that ones hairdresser probably makes more than ones graduate son - and she got C's at GCSE Grin

BertrandRussell · 04/09/2016 20:28

In Kent, secondary moderns with 6th forms typically offer only a very limited number of subjects. If FE colleges stop offering A levels alongside all the other things they offer then the only possibility for a secondary modern child who wants to have a stab at a higher level university will have to go to a grammar schools. Which have very high entry requirements, a very different style of teaching and an extraordinary level of snobbery.

That is why FE colleges should offer A levels.

ParkingLottie · 04/09/2016 20:57

Am I right in thinking that Grammars in an all selective county take about 25%? Leaving 75% in secondary moderns, high schools and the like? So if 60% go to Uni, 15% of Uni-potential candidates are in secondary moderns, needing to find good A level options.

HPFA · 04/09/2016 21:09

Theresa May on Andrew Marr show:

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/slippery-theresa-ducks-question-three-8765490

She claims to be leaving the decision up to Justine Greening who I suspect would prefer not to bother. It is clear that the education establishment is totally against, despite Gove's posturing about fighting the Blob, it would be hard to implement a policy under these circumstances.

twitter.com/Samfr/status/772011511124549632

We wait and see.

FreshHorizons · 04/09/2016 22:40

I am pleased to have started a thread that has run and run!
I am not ignoring any further posts- just off line for the next few days- by which time it will either be full or people will have got bored of the whole subject.

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sandyholme · 04/09/2016 23:14

Just got back in.

Since we are talking grades and awards...

DD1 (YR13) 5A +5A GCSE 3 A grades at AS equivalent (hopefully predicted 2 A + 1 A in Chemistry , Further Maths and English Literature at A2 level) at her grammar school !

Also i posted in 'AIBU ' that DD1 is deputy head girl this year , much to the 'dismay' of DD2 year 9 !

sandyholme · 04/09/2016 23:26

Actually Bertrand there are 'merits' to FE Colleges teaching A levels with a different approach.

One of my 'specialist mentors' when i first started my OU Degree is evidence to this. She first did her Maths A level at her grammar school , got 'kicked ' out in YR 12 after ' getting 10% on Mock Exam went to an 'FE ' college got an (A) NO * then.

She is now a highly respected Doctor of 'Physics'

Don't want to say anymore due to risk of 'unmasking'

Peregrina · 05/09/2016 07:53

So that is not exactly a recommendation of grammar schools, is it?

sandyholme · 05/09/2016 11:50

No its an acknowledgment that different 'settings' styles and approaches work with different people!

She did pass her A level maths some 25 years ago though !

alternatively could use personal evidence from own educational background (where my non selective school had derided me as a 'dummy' and in need of a special school) !

I would have benefited hugely from a 'special' school ( specialist dyslexia ASD type school) just not the type they had in mind.

Hopefully i have proved i am not the 'dummy' i was deemed to be at school !

The point being you can 'dis' a school or type of school based on casual evidence like in those two examples!

You 'disrespect ' grammar schools based on the perception they create winners/losers at 11.

I disrespect Comprehensives /'Modern' schools based on my own experiences !

These are both casual pieces of evidence..

BertrandRussell · 05/09/2016 13:44

I don't "disrespect" either grammar schools or comprehensives. I have serious issues with the selective system. That is an entirely different thing.

Peregrina · 05/09/2016 14:33

I too got dismal A level results from my Grammar School and have to thank an FE college for helping me get the results which got me into University. I liked their no nonsense approach - you do the work, we will support you; don't do the work, you are out. So different from the baggage that came with the sixth form at school. So I had a very high regard for the work of FE colleges.

There is a very real difference between selection at 10/11 and that at 16. It beats my why tests of English, Maths, VR, and NVR ascertain that you have an aptitude for triple sciences or modern foreign languages, but failing to get a certain percentage of marks, somehow means that you have aptitude for vocational subjects, when these aren't being tested.

At least going on to post 16 education you need to show some sort of evidence that you will be capable of pursuing the course successfully, whether this is an aptitude for a health and beauty B Tec or an A level maths.