Theresa May to end ban on grammar schools

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Theresa May to end ban on grammar schools, reports the Telegraph.

This is not a policy announcement, rather a testing of the waters, I suspect.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/06/theresa-may-to-end-ban-on-new-grammar-schools/

Why BR?

Because our comps have been failing dc for a very long time. I don't want to send my DC to them. They dont seem to be able to turn them around and I want change.

The selective element of the grammar schools benefits white working class boys? How? Would love to see evidence of that.

The evidence shows that the 80% not selected are at best, remaining the same. You're admitting that secondary education is poor in some places, so you're happy for it to stay the same for those children? Although of course the stats suggest things will probably get worse for them.

mycrane

I agree but please remember to be super intelligent does not mean you are an all rounder!!!

You might have tops marks in whole of the UK in maths but be dire in english!

What do you mean by 'different circumstances'?
We were not wealthy enough to avoid losing our home or living in the roughest area of our town with regular neighbour problems.

I know what you are saying- that we were still essentially motivated parents- which is true, but our circumstances could not have been more dire, plus one of his sister's disabilities being very challenging.

His older sister went to a Sec modern, she didn't pass the 11plus.

What a lovely experience of year 6 that will be: coaching for a test to determine your whole future!

It doesn't effect year 6 though, its year 4 and 5 when the pressure is on. The test is normally in September of year 6.

In south bucks not only do you have to have money for tutoring but the upper school are classed as providing a good education, so free school transport is only for the catchment of the upper schools now. So if you are struggling with money and your dc does pass the 11 plus you will then have to find extra money to get your dc to the local grammar school.

mycfaneiafixed that is just wrong, plain wrong I'm sorry. Evidence has shown that grammar schools consistently make social mobility worse. Even in high depreciation areas, they have way below the national average for children from low incomes.

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how can we give evidence of that when at the moment state primary schools, do not help their pupils apply or take the test, that is - if a grammar school is even there!

How!

EndOfSummer you are very naive , all this will mean is that clever children will be failed as much as those who are less academic.

Deprivation that should aay

"My county is very leafy too, and our comps are dire, awful and have been for a very long time ie they have been failing dc for decades. Not OK, time to stop. "

What, all of them? Every single comprehensive school dire, awful with bottom OFSTED rating? Wow- which county is this?

One possible benefit of removing the outliers to the majority is resource allocation.

Selective schools are highly efficient and cost effective. Allocating the appropriate resources to a very small number of high ability kids in a single school is highly inefficient. If money is diverted to them it is coming from the pot that could otherwise benefit the majority or the low ability students who find it hard to access the curriculum.

But what mostly happens now is the appropriate resources are not diverted to the most able. Which is an understandable economic decision but a fucker if you're that highly able kid.

Even in high depreciation areas, they have way below the national average for children from low incomes

Yes because the system, has cut them out of the market!

Primary schools do not support dc with potential in anyway. So....how does a very poor dc whose parents cannot support them get themselves into grammar? They may not even be aware of them, let alone try and get in

Who's to say primaries will begin to? Who decides which primaries will? All of them even if there's no grammar near by? And what are we going to stop teaching to prepare them for it? As at the moment the timetable is full.

I agree Carl but would once again point out, there are going to be plenty of super intelligent dc left over from the 11+ but who are not all rounders.

Also often a grammar school can be the only chance of social mobility for the clever child from a poor background. Quite heartbreaking if this happens tbh.

I agree Carl but would once again point out, there are going to be plenty of super intelligent dc left over from the 11+ but who are not all rounders.

I agree Carl but would once again point out, there are going to be plenty of super intelligent dc left over from the 11+ but who are not all rounders.

I agree Carl but would once again point out, there are going to be plenty of super intelligent dc left over from the 11+ but who are not all rounders.

I agree Carl but would once again point out, there are going to be plenty of super intelligent dc left over from the 11+ but who are not all rounders.

I agree Carl but would once again point out, there are going to be plenty of super intelligent dc left over from the 11+ but who are not all rounders.

But there is absolutely nothing to say that system is going to change in any way. All that has been said is that more grammars will open. How exactly do you propose that this system is changed to benefit those from deprived backgrounds? Because the existing grammars have skipped along making no effort to do so so far, so why would new ones bother?

They wont turn them into sec moderns they can look at a range of other types of schooling.

If you give parents a choice between grammar and secondary moderns then 95% will want a grammar. That means that non-selective schools will only contain those who didn't pass or didn't take the exam because they wouldn't have passed. It doesn't matter whether you call them sec mods, upper schools, specialist schools, schools for the rest, they will be schools for those who failed. And that causes all sorts of problems as we see in Bucks, Kent, Lincolnshire and Trafford.

To the original op..
Shit, shit, shit is what I think.
How utterly depressing.
In our area it will mean a school that has fancied itself as a grammar gets the go ahead to blatantly select.
The other school [which my child goes to] makes huge efforts for all children, whatever background. It will become the secondary fucking modern.
[Snobbery alive and well in our area].
Bloody great.
SHIT....

Who's to say primaries will begin to? Who decides which primaries will? All of them even if there's no grammar near by?

If we get a proper grammar system back of course primaries will have to help students apply!

So what are we not going to teach anymore then? And are you honestly happy with a whole year of exam prep in y5? And what about those well off parents who tutor just to give their children a bit of a boost? Surely those who can't afford tutoring will still be disadvantaged as the grammar can only take a certain proportion.