Public School Stereotype

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I know there's supposed to be a "public school" stereotype, but do you think there's a difference between someone who's attended private school in north london compared to south west london? Do you think private day schoolers are different to boarder schoolers?

I was asked for my stereotypes! I gave them.

Yes, that is the definition of private and public school. Anyone can apply to a public school, but only fee payers can apply to private.

As to the attachment disorder question, boarding schools are a standard case study for any training or expertise in this area. That is not my opinion, that is just standard knowledge. it doesn't mean that every individual who attends boarding school is attachment disordered, but a very significant number are, which is why, when training to be an expert in attachment disorder, you learn about different forms, and different degrees, and boarding school children are the basic, standard starting point.

Your stereotypes are strange but your definitions are just wrong. Plenty of private schools offer scholarships. The original public school act named 7 schools and public school is usually used to refer to a small group of traditional boys' boarding schools including but not now limited to those 7.

If they offer full scholarships then they are not private schools.

My stereotypes are stereotypes, but they are based on the people I have met. Not that I would assume everyone else would be the same.

Charis1 there are numerous articles on the internet about attachment disorder but as <a class="break-all" href="//ten.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attachment_disorder" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">this one and all others state it is caused by problems in the first three years of life no one starts boarding in the first three years of life.
Singer and others is correct about the actual true definition of "public school".

yes of course the first 18 months of life is crucial, but your brain continues to develop beyond this, and it is not set in stone.

As I said, what we consider to be "attachment disorder" is actually partly what many British boarding schools actually originally set out to cause, and were successful in doing so, and still are.

Charis not the first 18 months but the first three years.there is extensive research about this.
You clearly know nothing absolutely nothing about UK boarding schools in the 21st century, no boarding school sets out to cause "attachment disorder" if they did it would be a CP issue, very few if any parents have this as their objective either.

specifically the first 18 months, happygardening.

I am not saying 21st century school set out to cause attatchment disorder, but that 20th century boarding school did. Of course they didn't call it that, they called it "leadership" - ie the ability to order your colleagues to their deaths in battle, without hesitating too long about it!

These qualities were considered desirable, and the legacy is still there.

As I said, as a practitioneer, I am well aware what material, case studies, etc are used in training.

Charis to quote "what we consider "attachment disorder" is partly what many British boarding schools actually set out to cause, and were successful in doing so, and still are."
So I repeat you clearly know nothing about UK boarding schools in the 21st century or for that matter the children or their parents.
My DS has learnt some pretty amazing things at his boarding school, I'm proud to day he's turning into a true renaissance man, he's also formed some incredibly strong and caring bonds with his friends, he's become an intensely thoughtful young man, he's also learnt some fairly useless things but the one thing he hasn't learnt is how to "order his colleagues to their death in battle without hesitating too long about it". DH by the way was educated in a very similar school the 20th century he also didn't learn this either.
Over the years Ive been contributing to the education section on MN I've read some unadulterated rubbish on here about boarding but your comments Charis takes the premier position for grade 1 garbage.

the "public schools" are pretty much all boys schools

lots of private girls schools offer scholarships : I know as I sat for the darned things

Charis leadership is still very much promoted in all sorts of schools but certainly not how you define it. If your definition was indeed the agenda of 20th century public schools they failed miserably based on the numerous people 'case studies' I know. Please don't skew your judgement by being unable to discern the case studies based on extreme examples from the norm.

Please do show me the source of your bizarre definition. I know people with full scholarships at private ie independent schools (50% academic, 50% sports for example). Public schools are not different in law from other private schools - it's just a historic term that has lost its original meaning.

I read this article in bed this morning.
It was very interesting on lots of issues
www.economist.com/news/business/21648644-some-lessons-success-britains-elite-private-schools-very-british-business

Whilst we're at it, can we investigate some other boxes that we like to put people in rather than treat everyone as individual ...

Can't open it TP is it in this weeks magazine DH subscribes.

Oh yes, MN, like state school stereotypes, benefit claimant stereotypes,... Would be just as edifying and goady.

I did try to nip it in the bud but none of you could resist ...

singersgirls, it is not extreme examples from the norm. Boarding schools are a case study in and of themselves, not individuals in them, but the whole boarding school collective. You are misunderstanding what I am saying.

Charis I don't think anyone misunderstands you, you write in a style to make people not in the know think you are someone who knows a lot about independent education including the true meaning of the term "public schools" but clearly knows nothing, and also to make ridiculous groundless almost laughable assertions about current boarders and their experiences, and education. So I think the term bizarre is very apt.

Zero your Mumsnet diplomatic skills have yet to pass onto at least some of us

You are misunderstanding me, you have spoken as if I was referring to individuals from boarding schools, whereas I am not, I am referring to BOARDING SCHOOlS AS A WHOLE. Anyone who has done any in depth training or research about attachment disorder is likely to have used this case study (boarding schools as a whole) as a starting point, moving on to looking at more severe, and different forms of attachment disorders later.

I would hesitate to call myself an "expert" in attachment disorders, but certainly well up in current research, and knowledge and understanding. Other people may call be an "expert"

I've decided not apply for that job in the diplomatic service you'll all be pleased to hear, jus not my style really.

I'm listening to "Decline and Fall" on R4.

Outstanding school (may be slightly misquoted.)
First rate school
Good school
School.

Simple.

I'm not going to waste ampny more of my time on this but you clearly stated up thread that current boarding school still set out to cause and are successful in achieving attachment disorder.
Most studies into then effect of boarding on pupils are 1. self selecting the happy are unlikely to come forward with their tales of woe and 2. looking at adults not children boarding in the 21st century where boarding obviously unbeknown to you Charis as expert as you say you are has changed enormously. I don't know how may boarders you know but I know 100's I don't see hoards of children with attachment disorders, well at least not those caused by boarding, acrimonious divorce yes, emotional and physical abuse by parents yes, extreme pressure to succeed exerted by ambitious parents causing alienation yes, but not boarding per say for a happy well adjusted child.

Impossible!

Think this radio production is better than the book.