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The Trinity-Whitgift-Dulwich-Alleyns 10+/11+ thread 2015

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Firefox1066 · 13/12/2014 08:29

I thought I would take the plunge and start early the 2015 T/W/DC/A 10+/11+ thread that has become an annual staple MN!

This thread has been inspired by the likes of (among others) Ladymuck, Seeline, SoupDragon et al, who have been an amazing resources to people like me in previous years' threads.

Although T & W tend to dominate, I have also included DC and Alleyns as I know a lot of parents these days have DC's sitting for some/all of them.

I hope this thread will continue in the spirit of previous years' thread, with the support, hand-holding and knowledge that has been the hallmark of MN generally but this thread in particular.

Let the fun begin....

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Somelikeithott · 08/01/2015 11:45

All the very best wishes to everyone doing the exams during this period...
Lots of vino ( within reason), deserved by parents as well. This was us 2 years ago.

Interesting chat about abilities of boys being admitted. It must be a good thing though, if a school decides not to cherry pick all the DC, with the very best of academic abilities at this age. ( They will probably to well, wherever they go, with the right guidance).

I don't think you can decide for sure at this age that the DC of supposedly lesser abilities will not do excellently well, if exposed to the right opportunities. Surely, potential must count for a lot as well. It says a lot about a school if they turn around boys with ' lesser abilities'. But this is just my humble opinion, and I have no evidence as to how the decision making process works or if ' lesser abled' DC are being at admitted in specific schools or in general.

Cloe489 · 08/01/2015 12:58

Ladydepp, when did you receive the DC interview letter? We have not heard and am getting worried now! Do you think the letters come scattered throughout the week or if we haven't heard by now then it's not coming?

Cloe489 · 08/01/2015 13:00

OH SORRY ladydepp, it must be the stress....I just saw your post and I thought it had said that you had just received the letter from DC but now realise that it was regarding last year! Deep breath!! lol!

Ladymuck · 08/01/2015 13:57

Whitgift have formalised their "BTech pathway" now for 6th form, so there should be no surprises for parents along the way, and fewer points will be required from those boys only sitting 8 GCSEs to get into 6th form now.

As far as I can see, if you looked at the top 100 pupils at each school, you would see similar, superb results, probably ahead of the grammar schools bearing in mind some of the boys wouldn't have got grammar places at 11. One of the differences is how long "the tail" is, and how it is managed. I think it is difficult for any school when it appears that a lot of parental decisions are made by reference to the league tables, in particular by the percentage A-A*% at GCSE and A level. But the value added for these schools is probably fairly high, though I haven't seen any hard data to support that.

I think that the difficulty as a parent, especially of a 10 or 11 year old is that you can't necessarily predict where your child will be on the academic spectrum at 15, and even less can you predict the route by which they will get there! Different schools have a slightly different approach, which is why I think it is important to know as much as you can about the particular ethos and direction of the school, on the basis that if you support it, then you'll be more likely to be happy with future changes (let's face it, do any of us know what sort of qualifications the boys for 10+ will eventually sit for?!).

Parents and boys seem happy at these schools, with the only disgruntled parents that I know being those at Whitgift who either didn't make it into 6th form, or discovered that they weren't going to be entered under the school name for a couple of GCSEs and Whitgift seem have made changes to prevent that from happening again in future. I will be interested to see if Whitgift does anything to improve the interview/callback process this year, as again it is one of the few areas of complaint.

I guess the one common difficulty for both W and T is that they do give out a high amount of subsidy, and that can inevitably lead to some parents feeling as if they are personally subsidising other children. It might be easier to see why you would subsidise a truly worldclass musician or sportsman, and slightly harder to see why Bert should get 20% off because he was good at sums at 10, or even just because his parents decided to ring up and "haggle". The move towards honorary scholarships is an interesting one.

Good luck to all of those heading to Big School shortly. May your wait for a phonecall be a short one!

Firefox1066 · 08/01/2015 16:42

Just got home from picking up DS from W. By all accounts, he felt it went fine (although that can mean a whole host of things!). VR was standard form and they had to do 100 in 45 mins, having had to do 12 "warm up" questions in the first 15 mins.

All in all, I'm just chuffed it's over and looking forward now to Trinity on Saturday.

Lots of children sat the 10+ by all accounts, but not much difference to previous years by all acconts. I would say there were around 225-250 for 10+... I spoke to someone in admissions who told me that the school is at "capacity" and future years will not be "offered at the same level as in recent years". Apparently this is likely to have an effect on bursary rather than full fees offers.

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InASchoolsDilemma · 08/01/2015 17:33

Trinity is tomorrow Firefox.

neanananaweek1972 · 08/01/2015 17:34

Any idea how many sat the Whitgift 11+? A lot of faces in the sports hall! Grin

InASchoolsDilemma · 08/01/2015 17:42

My guesstimate is that there were about 200-250 in my half of the alphabet, so between 400 and 500 in total???

BitByBit · 08/01/2015 17:43

My DS wrote W today. Came out very positive and said he enjoyed the day.
He said the same about VR - 100 questions in 45 minutes.
He found Maths paper tricky and said he didn't finish the last third of the paper.
Composition was a choice between two topics. Write about a walk in the woods or write about a picture which was of a scary house. Whether this was supposed to be a description or story, I have no idea. My DS wrote a story so hope that was what he was supposed to do. He doesn't always read instructions.

There was an English paper which sounds like it was mostly (only) comprehension? Said there was a 15 minute warm-up related to punctuation but that punctuation itself wasn't included in the paper.

Math doesn't sound like a success but he finished the VR paper so am hoping that will count for something. Some of the maths problems they haven't covered yet at school (state primary) and I foolishly didn't cover them with him.
There is always 11+.....

BitByBit · 08/01/2015 17:45

My son wrote W 10+.... Was unclear in my post.

Liquorice12 · 08/01/2015 18:41

Think it was about 560 that took the W 11+ today according to a member of staff. DS said it was okay but missed some questions out on English Comp paper by mistake and realised when it was time to stop. Help! Another sleepless night for me tonight whilst I worry about T tomorrow.

Firefox1066 · 08/01/2015 18:51

inaschoolsdilemma we are 10+, so DS sits T on Saturday

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Seeline · 08/01/2015 19:40

Good luck to everyone at T tomorrow - I'll have a sulky teenager at home for the day id that's any consolation Grin

SoupDragon · 08/01/2015 20:02

I can go one better - I'll have one teen at home and one sulky one who has to go in to do an art mock GCSE :o it seems only yesterday that I was going through this with him :)

Seeline · 08/01/2015 20:54

OK - you win Soup Wink

Ladymuck · 08/01/2015 21:05

It's horrible when they realise that they've mucked up a paper, but in this respect the boys indies are gentler in that the schools will look at the quality of what has been done, and test things out at interview. All is not lost by any means.

Firefox1066 · 08/01/2015 21:33

Interestingly, the admissions lady I spoke to today, while waiting to pick up DS said to me...and I quote "we will interview the cast majority of candidates who took the exams".

Made we think about whether it would be more prudent for them to interview EVERY candidate prior to the exams.

I wonder what percentage of those who take the exams get called for interview?

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Firefox1066 · 08/01/2015 21:34

*vast majority

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Liquorice12 · 08/01/2015 22:04

Thanks Ladymuck. At least DS said he found Maths fine.

Yes DS said one of the staff said to them all that they hoped to interview as many as possible. Apparently we'll know by Tuesday either way - seems quick - not that I'm complaining - well not yet anyway!

Ladymuck · 08/01/2015 22:40

The marking is very quick (they all have their day jobs to get on with!). If they start to send out "no"s on Tuesday then that will be a welcome change from previous years (not that the no will be welcome, but actually it gives parents a chance to try for a late sitting at another school).

burntoutdad · 08/01/2015 23:08

Remember previous years when 'No's' were not sent at all and some had to phone to ask and be told late in the day. Hope there's some improvement on that.
I recall that even though the exam is over the wait for news was excruciating. If it's any consolation to anyone the interviews were not nearly as painful as we thought, DS was made to feel at ease and ours was more of an informal chat.

SoupDragon · 09/01/2015 07:18

Yes, the interviews were a piece of cake really. Still nerve-wracking though, first time round!

They may have to answer some extra comprehension/maths questions -both mine had to do comprehension as this was their weakest paper (in DS2s case, weakest by a long long way).

Firefox1066 · 09/01/2015 08:58

DS told me this morning that he thought that there were 8 (J1-J8) groups of around 22 boys for 10+ at W yesterday.

Is it my imagination or does that seem a lot lower than previous years? 180 ish seems low to me.

Of course there is every chance that DS is wrong!!!

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ladydepp · 09/01/2015 09:04

My DS said the W 11+ interview was "fun" while the DC interview was "hard". (We chose DC for him but it was a close run thing with the 4 schools he sat exams for. )
We had a phone call from W on the Sat after exam last year, same day we had the DC letter, but a friend only had phone call about 10 days after us and her DS was offered a place. I hope they do it better this year!

InASchoolsDilemma · 09/01/2015 09:12

Ah, good, Firefox - had visions of you turning up late!

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