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Girls school alumni wages

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MN164 · 05/11/2014 11:08

Education headlines regularly focus on the difference in average wages between differently educated people, usually independent vs state, sometimes other comparisons.

I haven't seen an analysis of outcomes for single sex vs co-ed.

Do girls educated in single sex schools earn more than their coeducational peers?

Perhaps that particular question would be muddled by most single sex schools being grammar, faith or independent but a good statistician should be able to normalise that effect.

Has anyone seen such analysis or evidence reported?

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MN164 · 16/11/2014 10:30

Good advice.

For me personally, it's a secondary school choice to be made.

I did ask about feminism at the last girls school I visited and was told by the teachers and the girls that they were almost fatigued by it.

Their science lab had posters of all the females involved in the great discoveries, for example, as a way to balance the inevitable male dominated texts and history. Think Rosalind Franklin, Marie Curie, Grace Hopper etc.

I think the question needs to be asked at the co-eds (which I need to visit again having done those for my son already).

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SevenZarkSeven · 16/11/2014 10:36

YY those are the questions for the co-eds although I imagine that some girls schools may not take the opportunity that they have to progress girls who want to in STEM etc so just be aware I reckon.

If it's secondary I assume your DD will be going with you (? is that how it works?) and she will get a gist of where she likes / feels comfortable.

SevenZarkSeven · 16/11/2014 10:37
  • of course where her interests lie and which schools will best meet them
LadyIsabellaWrotham · 16/11/2014 12:13

I was put off one co-ed school that I looked round when their sports hall had two information boards next to each other. One was labelled "Football" and one was labelled "Girls Football". It's a tiny thing but it set my teeth on edge.

TalkinPeace · 16/11/2014 14:46

LadyIsabella
I was put off one co-ed school that I looked round when their sports hall had two information boards next to each other. One was labelled "Football" and one was labelled "Girls Football".
That is because the teams have to be segregated at age 13 to comply with FA rules.
If the school ignored it they cannot compete against other schools.
Take it up with the FA not the school.

All the state schools (except one Catholic girls) round here are co-ed.
No shortage of girls taking Maths, further Maths, Biology, Chemistry at the 6th form colleges.
Girls not liking physics is a different issue.

LadyIsabellaWrotham · 16/11/2014 15:41

I think you've missed my point Talkin. Look again.

TalkinPeace · 16/11/2014 15:47

Football is assumed by the FA, the press and everybody else to mean boy's/men's.
The school is merely following the accepted protocols.
Does the BBC talk about the "Men's football" or just "the football"
Seriously - its a non issue at co ed schools

only those with the money or location to access single sex schools worry about THAT

At DCs school they had the problem that the best player by far in year 8 some years back was a girl but they had to remove her from the team come year 9
She plays for a ladies premier league club now.

LadyIsabellaWrotham · 16/11/2014 15:54

At the professional level, yes there's a default assumption that "football" means men because there's a massive difference in popularity. But at a secondary school where both sexes are playing and competing in equal numbers, and very few are ever going to play seriously in later life, then there's sod all reason not to value both teams equally, and language is part of that. The boys (rightly or wrongly) should be playing for the boys team, not the team.

TalkinPeace · 16/11/2014 15:57

Take it up with the FA, do not blame the school.

The ladies Rugby teams, and Cricket teams at DDs 6th form college have the same hassle
The skiing and equestrian teams are mixed
Basketball copes with both sexes named, as does tennis
I do not believe there is a men's netball team

MN164 · 16/11/2014 17:11

LIW

I agree with you. These small things all add up to death by a thousand cuts for egalitarianism.

Is the school banned from using the phrase "boys football" - I think not.

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