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What to do with a disappointed father on his daughter's GCSE results

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DeiseGirl66 · 22/08/2014 00:47

My husband left school in the 80s with just three O Levels, despite being very bright. He blames his poor attitude to school on his lack of academic success (the classic, chippy working class boy), but also believes that his teachers and parents could have done so much more to push him to meet his potential. He went on to achieve an honours degree in his early thirties, but feels that his early underachievement has held him back throughout his career. He therefore had very high hopes for our DD, who completed her GCSES this year. Bright, creative, with a naturally enquiring mind, she breezed through the Key Stage 2 SATS and by the end of Year 9 was predicted to achieve a cluster of As and As in Year 11. My husband's aspirations for her extended beyond even Oxbridge - he believed that scholarships to Yale or Harvard were within her grasp. These expectations were not entirely misplaced. At the age of three she wanted to be a palaeontologist and she achieved a score of 135 in a non-verbal IQ test at the age of 11. But having always found learning so easy, she took her foot off the peddle a little bit in the final months leading up to the exams, especially in the non-science subjects. Today's GCSE results were therefore a reality check for both father and daughter. One A in Additional Science, 4 As in maths, core science, Italian and Religion, and Bs in the two English papers, History, Drama and ICT, might be considered a very solid set of results and are enough to get her into the Sixth Form of her choice. She appears to be delighted with her results and is staying out with friends tonight to celebrate. But my husband has been brooding on the Bs in English and History and the lack of an A in maths all day, and his disappointment has tarnished any sense of celebration or achievement that we might have enjoyed in the family home. Writing this, I can only feel sad that so much expectation is being placed now on pupils to achieve As and As, not just with my husband and daughter but from society in general, that anything less seems inadequate. Can a 16 year old child's future aspirations really be dashed at this stage, just because of these results? How do I manage my husband's disappointment, which I believe is a projection of his own sense of failure?

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Iwasinamandbunit · 24/08/2014 01:56

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unrealhousewife · 24/08/2014 02:05

And whose decision was it to knock drama on the head?

Admiraltea · 24/08/2014 02:12

My thought too... who decided no drama?

skinnedflowerpot · 24/08/2014 07:25

My thought too... who decided no drama?

I am sorry but I would knock drama on the head too. Unless there are real and realisitic aspirations to follow a career in that direction. In which case RADA would be better and no A levels at all. In school LAMDA would be a more suutable examination route and that can be extra curricular.

As often the teachers say in school (and in my last school) " Drama is an area where pupils who normally find academic pursiuts challenging can do well".

I wouldnt ( and havent) let my own DC do drama. Its a waste of time really.

As for IQ being a waste of time - thats the biggest myth of all time in current education. In reality IQ does predict ABILITY quite well ( after all folks its what grammar school selection and CE - for those in the indipendent sector - is based on. It shows potential. It does not necessarily mean achievemnt. Many other factors play in that.

But I would still be asking questions ( including of the teaching - and I would want to know how many mkore A grade students were B grade as well ) . A DC with such a high IQ should be able to breeze GCSE ( aside of motivational factors).

ChickenFajitaAndNachos · 24/08/2014 07:37

Your DD must have been either not working for 2 years and got C's in her English, history and drama coursework and did well in the exams or visa versa. I have asked the question a couple of times, how did she do in her coursework as this gives a big indication of final mark. I know there are different exam boards but my son had completed 60% of his drama (the acting bit) before doing the exam. This was the same for English lit, science, French and history, although a smaller percentage was coursework. Ict was all coursework and about 80% of the class got distinctions/A's.
Surely the coursework would have given a good indication of what your DD was going to get in her GCSEs compared to IQ testing years ago?

treadheavily · 24/08/2014 08:12

I really, really hope your husband chooses his words carefully before he expresses his feelings about her results. In time I think he will be very glad if he can contain his disappointment and let her enjoy the elation of her (very good) results.

What is it that you really want for your daughter? Try to put aside long-held desires for top universities and to let her follow her own dreams, whether or not they include academic glory.

I know it's easier said than done but this may be a turning point for more happiness in your lives, learning to let go a bit more.

Oh and the sleepover sounds great. This is the stuff which will give her happy memories of her childhood, and the self esteem to do well in life.

Longdistance · 24/08/2014 08:24

Disappointed? Are you fucking kidding me?

I'd have done cartwheels with results like that.

LaVolcan · 24/08/2014 08:44

Quite so Longdistance - a good set of GCSEs by someone who sounds happy and well adjusted.

OPs DH needs to be reminded of the saying 'You can take a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.'

We have no idea what OPs DD wants to do, but shock horror - Oxbridge and Ivy League aren't always the best for your subject e.g. if you want to do say meteorology, Reading used to be the place to go.

DrewsWife · 24/08/2014 08:59

Your husband should feel lucky! My teen who sailed through. Was predicted to get great marks.. Had her sights set on uni... Went to one exam. Ignored the others... Started hanging out with neds (chavs) and has been partying ever since... Oh the one exam she did sit... She failed.

Now that is hurt and disappointment. Hmm

sashh · 24/08/2014 10:22

He needs a reality check.

Is dd on drugs?
Is dd pregnant and no idea who the father is?
Is dd in court any time soon for shop lifting or assault?

Can a 16 year old child's future aspirations really be dashed at this stage, just because of these results?

Because of the results - no.
Because of a parent being disappointed - absolutely.

3littlefrogs · 24/08/2014 10:23

DrewsWife - I am so sorry.Sad

They can turn around. Keep the door open. Some kids lose the plot and take a while to grow up.
Thanks Cake Wine

DeiseGirl66 · 24/08/2014 10:26

Quick check on coursework. All A* and As. Helped to pull up Cs in one Drama module (written paper), a history paper and an English Lit paper, and a D in another history paper, to give her the overall Bs. Maybe it's exam strategies she'll need to work on for next year.

As for the drama, this is based on advice from a number of teachers across a number of schools (we visited a few Sixth Form settings before she chose the one she's just enrolled in). It's also based on her own recognition that writing is not her thing, and there is a lot of critical analysis required in A Level drama. There are lots of other opportunities in school and the local area for her to follow her love of theatre and acting, without studying it at A Level.

I know that we're extremely lucky. We've got a lovely daughter who still enjoys the silly, childish things in life (sleepovers, Dr Who, jumping off cliffs into the sea with a bunch of other kids in wet suits) and hasn't yet been tempted down the partying route. As the days pass we gain a sense of perspective on what she's achieved. Thanks once again for all of your advice. It has really helped.

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ChickenFajitaAndNachos · 24/08/2014 10:31

At least with exam technique its quite easy to learn. It is possible her school didn't focus on this.

heretohelpGB · 24/08/2014 10:55

Deise
I just wanted to add to the thread as I can relate through the Irish system you went through. Nearly 20 years ago (and no I have not forgotten) I got 2 As and 5 Bs in the leaving - you can understand how great that was - top 5% of the country. And to everyone else this isn't me lightly suggesting I am fantastic, this is me still 20 years later trying to convince myself I did ok because on the day of my results my dad's response was "why did you only get 2 As"? I'm not saying this one comment is what affected me but despite getting a fantastic degree from a top university and having a good career - it took two years of counselling in my thirties to gradually make me start to believe I am not the failure I spent my twenties thinking I was! This comment did not help! Please be grateful for the laughing and the guitar playing etc. - these are the things that makes a happy individual. Guess what I intend to get for my 40th? A piano! I used to play when younger and loved it but stopped because I didn't think I should "waste" my time on that after the leaving! Please please do not let your husband have this effect on your daughter - results are not everything!!!!

ChickenFajitaAndNachos · 24/08/2014 11:01

I can not understand how parents can make those type of comments Heretohelp. My DS got 4 As, 4Bs and 3 Cs on Thursday, honestly it was one of the best days of my life.

DeiseGirl66 · 24/08/2014 11:22

Heretohelp - that's a fantastic Leaving. You should have been so proud. Back in the day, we'd have said you had "brains to burn" (do you remember that strange Irish phrase?) I got one A in my Leaving, Honours English, which I've worn like a T-shirt ever since. I still think I could be the next Marian Keyes if only I had the time, a West of Ireland cottage/ writer's retreat and a wealthy husband to support me. My self-belief in my writing ability from that one A has given me confidence throughout my working life. What was that other Irish saying we used to hear? Mol an óige, agus tiocfaidh siad. Praise the young and they will succeed. If only your father had listened to those words of wisdom. I'll make sure Dd's dad doesn't make the same mistake.

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HenriettaTurkey · 24/08/2014 11:46

Deise: your daughter sounds lovely, bright, sociable and well rounded. Sketching, guitar, friends and brains - how wonderful!

My DSis achieved top marks across the board for her GCSEs and was disappointed as she knew others with good grades were less clever than her but achieved the same.

One year later she dropped out of A levels with an eating disorder that is still part of her life over 20 years later.

I got decent, but not outstanding, grades (mainly As, a few Bs: A* didn't exist) took A levels, went to a uni that suited my personality & had a great time. I've never been out of work and am now married with children.

No-one told me which A levels I should, or shouldn't take, which uni I should or shouldn't attend. And I am a better, happier, more fulfilled person for it.

Oh: and we celebrated my A levels the day I finished my final exam - my parents were proud of my effort; the grades were secondary to them.

I think this was a great way of dealing with it and it showed me that there really is more to life than straight As.

Frontier · 24/08/2014 11:53

heretohelp, My dad has had exactly the same effect on me. I got 99% in a science test once and he wanted to know why I'd got one wrong. Everything I've done in my career has been (in part) to prove to my Dada that my A-level results weren't the end of the world. Do mums have the same impact? Only, I can hear myself doing it to DS1 Sad

heretohelpGB · 24/08/2014 12:31

Ah shucks deiseSmile I do know (now) that I did really well - just took awhile to get there! And to use another Irish phrase "sure she'll be grand" especially if she had such an astute mum watching out for and making sure she knows how wonderful she is!!

TheWordFactory · 25/08/2014 10:43

One of the problems is that some schools are far too keen to make early predictions. You see it here all the time ' my Dc is predicted 10 a stars' then a couple of yeArs later the results are not quite so stellar. Teachers really should reign in this silliness.

happygardening · 28/08/2014 08:57

I couldn't agree more word many of DS1"s friends, all are at excellent state schools/6th form colleges, have not achieved their predicted grades in GCSE's and AS's so lots of "disappointed" parents and upset children. I'm beginning to wonder why these grades seem so far removed from the actual reality?
To put it in perspective OP a boy at DS2's school (yr 11) was tragically killed just before Xmas I suspect his parents would gave been delighted to have been looking at any results however or good or bad than be grieving for a lost son.

unrealhousewife · 28/08/2014 10:28

Happy i think schools don't help students to catch up if they fall behind, the school reports make parents think their child is doing fine, we are told to be positive and not upset the children, the mocks are marked up by some teachers depending on their tactics so when exam results come they are generally disappointing.

They leave it all to the last minute. Yearly exams like they do in private schools would prepare them better and enable students to see where they need to catch up.

Sadly it is crucial for students to get the right grades but if they were never going to make it anyway they should have been told much sooner so they could perhaps focus on other subjects.

happygardening · 28/08/2014 10:43

"We are told to be positive and not upset the children"
Really? It's ok then if when their grades come our and they haven't achieved their predicted grades that they are upset? If this is the case then it's pretty mean.
In my experience of DS2's school (independent boarding) they have a habit of painting the opposite picture, "he doesn't appeared to have done enough revision so is now a boarder line candidate for a A, a B being realistic" "he's not really working hard enough" etc.

unrealhousewife · 28/08/2014 10:52

Happy we don't get those pep talks until after mocks, at which time it's too late. They don't like to knock confidence, prefer to mess up their life chances instead.

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