High earners to pay for their children state schools

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-25798659

TalkinPeace But may that then also translate into better healthcare?

Germany has a higher healthcare expenditure than the UK, but whenever I went to the GP over there, it was not a 15 min. appointment thing. They don't go "Try this, and if the problem persists, come back next week."

They do so many tests, until they really pinpoint what it is, and there's no hesitance in referring you to a specialist.

The German government has been changing this though - they seem to be moving more towards the UK system - unfortunately.

and the trillions we spent on Iraq didn't help the economy either which we are still paying for...and that was Blair.

Snowbells
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the UK system is a lot cheaper than the German system and the USA system is insanely expensive and gives dire outcomes for all but those in jobs that pay for full cover.

Nibs
Please spell his name right B- L-I-A-R

TalkinPeace I know - I said as much. But I also said that with the higher cost in Germany also came much, much better care. Better (and more hygienic!!!) GP practices, and other things.

Barbour wrote " I like the way gaba talks about "you guys"...but hasn't identified whether he /she is poor, rich or a squeezed middle......usually these posts come from the politics of envy i find."

What difference does it make, I am just pointing out the truth, obviously some people find the truth painful.

I don't think the MCs should be taxed any more, but more they will be taxed, because the rich are too well connected with the people who do the taxing, to pay their share.

Barbour also wrote "some of the professional/middle classes are also mobile and if the pendulum swings too far, some of them, or if not their children, will just seek their fortunes elsewhere where hard work and talent pays."

If that were true they would have left years ago. The tax that the MCs pay is a joke, but you guys will keep putting up with it because there is no where to run away to.

Sorry no MC jobs available anywhere else in the world. Yes the super rich can threaten to leave (they don't though), but the government know the only place MCs can get a job paying anywhere near as much for doing FA all day is here in the UK.

The government know they can tax you to the hilt, and you are too weak to do anything about it. You have no power : hence squealing like pigs.

What are you going to do to evade paying more tax, get a cash job waiting tables ?

morethanpotatoprints- "house paid off" - this to me is rich

gaba

That's not my experience at all and I am a middle class professional in a large global company ...a lot of middle class professionals work for large international companies/law firms/accountancy practices and can and do move. It's not that hard if they are well placed and well respected. The global companies often see that as career building moves also for progression to senior management.

Also more and more of their children may be looking abroad to study e.g. European and US universities with introduction of higher uni fees here.

A lot of the best private schools also help prep for applications to these foreign universities I think the reason many do not, is family ties, schooling etc. but you only have to see the number of French and other foreign families relocating within their employment who have moved here to witness that m/c professionals within Europe for example are often pretty mobile.

I have several friends and colleagues who have relocated with their families and through their employer either to the US or Switzerland or Singapore and in most cases, they are not intending to come back.

FWIW I also work in a large global company and loads of professionals I know have gone to Singapore, a few to the Middle East, a handful to Switzerland and Australia - and that's just the ones I know of.....

I think it's a bit unfair to suggestion middle class people do very little. In fact if you ear a lot you tend to have to put in an awful lot of hours 12 hour days, no breaks and all likes of things normal workers never tolerate.

Also my work is by email. If take were too unfair I can do it anywhere, genuinely can and genuinely would. I was talking to a man this week who has just moved to the Cayman Islands. His export business can be done anywhere. Another one yesterday works in Switzerland, i think in Zug where tax rates are very low. I speak to at least one person like that every single week of the year through work. It is not a my that if taxes are high people leave. It is why Labour and the Tories have had to bring corporation and personal taxes down as much as they can and offer new very low taxes like 10% of the patent box to keep the people here who generate the business income and personal tax and which ensures the 50% or more who take out more than they put in are kept.

Name change as I like to usually fly under the radar...but I am a good example. My company is global US company...at the time i got my job, they were growing here rapidly and wanted to hire people in senior positions to look after Europe, Middle East and Africa. They have a few offices in Europe and I was given the free choice of UK or three other very nice cities in Europe to be based from. I chose the UK because of some personal links here but looking back I am not sure it was the best decision financially and I do wonder if it was a mistake with hindsight but my children are at school here now and i don't particularly want to uproot them though I could still move within the EU and manage my team remotely or I could ask to move to HQ.

I have also over the past 5 years also been able to hire and build a team here most based in the UK ...If I had been hired somewhere else i would have hired my team there ...so that's five middle class jobs plus mine ...and my 45% tax contribution that wouldn't exist here if I personally had decided against the UK. I might have done based on a few things, and tbh tax and any kind of education tax as proposed might have been may have been factors at play. So yes, I am one of those professional potentially mobile m/c types and there are many like me. My colleagues in some of our other offices in Europe think it is ridiculously expensive to live here and have your children educated here.

SnowBells Tue 21-Jan-14 12:57:39
Ehm... Custardo... in what way has the government squeezed the poor????

Have you not noticed the food banks, people on the streets, and oxfam now working in the UK ?

LauraBridges Wed 22-Jan-14 18:07:53
"I think it's a bit unfair to suggestion middle class people do very little. In fact if you ear a lot you tend to have to put in an awful lot of hours 12 hour days, no breaks and all likes of things normal workers never tolerate.

Also my work is by email."

You didn't quite think that one through did you.

Maybe it was an attack of the dipsies again?

Blueberrypots "FWIW I also work in a large global company and loads of professionals I know have gone to Singapore, a few to the Middle East, a handful to Switzerland and Australia - and that's just the ones I know of....."

Well why havn't you gone, if they only have to pay 1% tax and you are paying 90?

Obviously it's because you love paying all that tax to help the poor right?

Not in the slightest because you cannot get a job that pays 50k for doing nothing all day but swan about to coffee meetings and play on internet forums, in those low tax countries?

Int mum

Wrote "might have done based on a few things, and tbh tax and any kind of education tax as proposed might have been may have been factors at play. So yes, I am one of those professional potentially mobile m/c types and there are many like me. My colleagues in some of our other offices in Europe think it is ridiculously expensive to live here and have your children educated here."

You must be one real smart cookie, with all your team building skills and all ...

So why did you 'choose' to live here, with the tax being 400% higher and all?

That wasn't a 'business' decision was it?

Was it the climate that made you choose the UK?

In Sierra Leone they have no business rates, 10% income tax, and no tax on profit....

Here is a fantastic idea for all you MC entrepreneurs ...

Why not open a Costa Coffee franchise in Sierra Leone?

Think of all the tax you won't have to pay.

Cmmon now you are all 'mobile' right...

Teach those meanie tax collectors a lesson and up and go.

gaba
I qualified as an ACCA - equivalent to CPA
technically mobile
but
I have found a local niche
"mobility" is in the eye of the beholder, not the participant.

i already said gaba...it was personal links that made me choose here (my own background of having been born and brought up here) but perhaps i made the wrong choice with hindsight ...I will be telling my children that the world is their oyster though and to look overseas job wise at some point ...but if you weigh it all up in the equation and if one thing starts outweighing the others then it may sway you...the point is the job creation and higher taxes paid are positive contributors to the UK economy....and yes, we do have a choice which you seem to think is untrue ...but then perhaps you don't move in the same circles as those you so clearly despise hence your ignorance on the matter.

But these hardworking professional m/c that you mock are the ones that are subsidizing the welfare/state retirement benefits, NHS, education etc, through their higher tax payments as other posters have said. If they are squeezed so much so that there is no real benefit to hard graft then yes, a lot of them will increasingly look elsewhere.

tell us gaba ...what do you contribute to the UK economy...do enlighten us... I am fascinated....

LauraBridges

Sorry, but utter bollocks.
"Normal Workers" rather than workers who aren't normal? put in lots of hours.
What about self employed people who can't afford office staff to do the admin, who also work on top of this.
Me thinks you have your head up your ass and sound quite insulting to "Normal workers"

Well intmum,

That's all well and nice and charming but....

Your children as you before them will be chained to the same grindstone as all those before you. Do you really belLIEve you are free?

Are you really any free-er than your dog?

You are still here, and when they raise tax to 90% as they have done before you will stay as those before you did.

So will your kids, sorry but the world is no oyster, and your kids as you were are far too afraid to leave mummy's skirt tails.

I do not mock anyone who really works hard Intmum, I mock those who think they work hard.

What contributions do I make Intmum..... I make the contributions you dream of making...

Read through your own posts and you will understand what that means. One minute you are complaining that you have to pay all this tax to live in this society, then you are complaining that you don't get enough of the socialist hand outs. Chances are you are a government employee, and don't even see the irony of your comments. If you are not a direct employee, then your companies main contracts are government ones.

Tell me I am wrong, and please tell me, While you are at it, what it is YOU do that makes all this money for this country.

Talkinpeace...

This local niche.... Does it exist anywhere else in the world?

I have a word for this niche, I call it the UK.

One big money factory. No body is goin no where, the money stays here, and so does all those who want to get their grubby hands on it, no matter how high the tax.