Its good enough for mine if its good enough for yours

[educationforteachers]

If the school is not good enough for the teachers kids, then should it be good enough for our kids?

Should this apply to primary and secondary?

Should this apply to the methods they are using in school?

Since teachers are after all the best people to ask!

'You are so tied up in your own choice, and so insistent that your way is the only way, that you are incapable of seeing anyone else's point of view.'

That's exactly how I feel about the way you're arguing evil.

I don't really get why you're so insistent it doesn't matter if other posters are saying it matters to THEM. You come across as bullying TBH.

You're mixing up two different things here, whendidyoulast.

If the deputy head says 'I would not send my own son to this school because they would get a better education at x school down the road' is, of course, much more concerning than you just making an assumption that a member of staff has no faith in his/her own school because their child attends elsewhere.

Is it not a good sign though talkinpeace if a number of teachers choose to send their children to the school in which they teach ?

'But come on, how many deputy heads would say that to a parent? I am astounded that you expect teachers to be that disloyal to their school to so brutally honest with every parent that asks.'

It only takes one deputy head for me to write that school off though.

That was an extreme example.

But I and other posters have given examples which THEY would take as warning signs.

If YOU don't see these things as troubling that's up to you.

I've said it doesn't matter TO ME! Because I don't think it tells the whole story.
As it doesn't.

But don't primary schools only have one deputy head?

Although it could be a sign that the school is staffed with rather lazy individuals like me who live on catchment because it means no long commute and an extra 30mins in bed . We also can 't be bothered driving our children to school.

'than you just making an assumption that a member of staff has no faith in his/her own school because their child attends elsewhere.'

Nowhere have I made such assumptions.

You're not being fair by not actually reading what I'm writing.

I've said there may be a million and one reasons why a teacher might choose to send their kids elsewhere but, on the other hand, IF teachers are actively avoiding the school where they teach for their own kids SOME parents might see that as a warning sign.

Really, read the posts.

Yes, whendidyoulast, honestly! I don't know a single person in real life who would give teachers children attending/not attending a second thought unless it stopped their child getting a place.

'I've said it doesn't matter TO ME! Because I don't think it tells the whole story.
As it doesn't.'

I never said it did.

I said it MIGHT be a warning sign.

FFS you come across as arguing for the sake of it.

Why?

I am that single person Mrz.

whendidyoulast I can see that you feel your school is the best place for your own DC, and that's lovely. My DTDs are 7, so they can't attend my school. I think that my school is good enough for my own children, but I don't expect they will attend my school when they're old enough. This is not because I think the school is crap. It is for other reasons, which are personal to me, DH and the DTDs. If a parent asks me if my children go to the school, I can truthfully say no. If a parent asks me if I think the school is "good enough" for my own DC, I can truthfully say yes. If a parent asks my why I will not send my DC to that school, I can say that it is for a variety of reasons. Anyone who pushes beyond that is overstepping the mark.

'I don't know a single person in real life who would give teachers children attending/not attending a second thought'

Bully for you.

Other posters say it does matter to them. Who are you to tell them what grounds they should take into account when choosing a place for their kid?

Philoslothy
Is it not a good sign though talkinpeace if a number of teachers choose to send their children to the school in which they teach ?

CHOOSE
Teachers buy a house.
They have kids.
They move around schools as their career progresses.
Their kids move up through the school system.
It may be that they happen to be teaching in the catchment school for their house when their children are that age.
It may not.

The children might actually go to a school that fits with their spouses' work (shock horror)

This thread is the mother of all red herrings.

Philoslothy My first high school was like this, lots of teachers children, it was the norm and we were all just normal students. My second high school, it was not the norm so the few of us there were really messed with all the other teachers heads for some reason. I was expected to be perfect. One of my teachers didn't believe something I told her once so ran off and asked my parent. What a surprise I had told the truth. No other student would have been second guessed like that in that situation. And when I wasn't perfect I was presumed to be completely stupid (which I wasn't, just didn't put in much effort) because how could a teachers child not actually give a damn and therefore there had to be a different reason for average marks.

"Is it not a good sign though talkinpeace if a number of teachers choose to send their children to the school in which they teach ?" it isn't a good or bad sign as we don't know why they have made that choice or if the school was allocated by the LEA and not one they had applied for.

But you're not the only person are you Philoslothy? Many posters on this thread and parents in RL have said that it MIGHT be one of many factors influencing their choice.

I don't get why other posters think it's OK to tell them it doesn't matter if it matters to them.

And honestly I just don't believe anyone who says they wouldn't be influenced by the example of the deputy head I've given or understand LeVolcan's p.o.v.

'This thread is the mother of all red herrings.'

No, Talkin, some people have just chosen to put multiple red herrings in the equation.

The premise is simple, if teachers are actively avoiding sending their kids to their own school because they don't think it's good enough then that MIGHT be a warning sign to other parents.

Whether they choose to send their kids to another school because they live 50 miles away or they don't want their kid to be uncomfortable - those are the red herrings.

I've read your posts, whendidyoulast. Do you realise that you're coming across as very patronising? And as for eviltwins being "bullying!" Really!

The only conclusion I MIGHT draw, if I was into making shallow assumptions, is that it suited those teachers' childcare arrangements to have their own children in school with them. And I might be concerned that the teacher had them in class with them after school. That wouldn't work for me at all, as I'm working hard on site until at least 5.30 each evening.

But, as I said, that would be making assumptions- it might be that way for them.

That is not the same as assuming that if teachers don't send their own kid to the same school it's because they think it's crap.

And, conversely, if lots of teachers' kids go to the same school then that MIGHT be considered a good sign by some parents.

That's all.

It's hardly the most controversial idea ever suggested.

Here's a conundrum, then whendidyoulast - a friend of mine teaches in a school which was recently OFSTEDed and moved from Outstanding to RI. He describes working there as "hellish". You could forgive me, then for not wanting my DC to go to that school when they're old enough. However, his wife has told me that they intend for both their DC to go there.

Sometimes people are just letting off steam. Sometimes people are aware that schools change over time.

It wouldn't occur to me to wonder whether a teacher sends their DC to the school they work in. It matters to you, but not to me. That doesn't make either one of us "right".

if teachers are actively avoiding sending their kids to their own school because they don't think it's good enough

but you will never know that

and any teacher nowadays in the land of fixed term contracts who said such a thing about their own school might find their career curtailed

you are just speculating and insinuating with no evidence at all

Talkin I work in a school where we have teachers who just happen to live in catchment, I agree that does not tell you much.There are teachers who have chosen to live in catchment and teachers who have secured a place for their child even though they are out of catchment. There are teachers who are very open about the fact that they work in the school because they want their children to go there.

Mod of our staff who have children at the school stay at the school for the duration of their child's time at the school . I am about to give birth to number five so I joke that I will be leaving on my zimmerframe.

Perhaps because we live in a rural area where everyone knows everyone's business , parents are likely to know which are which - if it interested them.

You would be daft to send a child to a school just for that reason, but it could be part of a package of reasons.

People can't argue "for the sake of it" unless there is someone else (namely, you) also in the debate.

'if I was into making shallow assumptions'

Argh,

are you really telling me that if a deputy head says there are incompetent teachers at his school and his own son would get a better education at another school this is 'making shallow assumptions'???

NObody is talking about shallow assumptions.

READ THE POSTS.