Active discussions

Meet the Other Phone. Protection built in.

Meet the Other Phone.
Protection built in.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Talk
Education

Join the discussion on our Education forum.

Original poster

Its good enough for mine if its good enough for yours

269 replies

educationforteachers · 31/12/2013 12:59

If the school is not good enough for the teachers kids, then should it be good enough for our kids?

Should this apply to primary and secondary?

Should this apply to the methods they are using in school?

Since teachers are after all the best people to ask!

OP posts:
EvilTwins · 02/01/2014 17:28

Well that's lovely for you, whendidyoulast and apparently means that you are right and everyone else is wrong.

Philoslothy · 02/01/2014 17:28

I don't really care where shop assistants buy their clothes, in the grand scheme of things it does not matter. Although I would find it a little odd if someone worked in a fashion store and actively chose not to wear their clothes - if they were aimed at their age range . I say that as someone with a fashion background.

However I do care if the people educating my children feel that the service that they are are providing is not good enough for their own children . This is about life chances not the cotton count of your knickers.

TalkinPeace · 02/01/2014 17:28

OP
what if the teachers children have left school?
or are at secondary and you are at primary
or are babies
or (shock horror) the teacher does not have children

its a very silly premise that teachers have to send their kids to the school they work at

should all employers hire the parents of their staff because if its good enough for one generation its good enough for the other?

clam · 02/01/2014 17:28

so, honestly, clam, you wouldn't find it even vaguely of interest and it wouldn't influence your decision at all if you found that not one of the teachers at a school you were looking at sent their own kids there

This part, no, I honestly would not.

However, if the school's deputy told me that there was a great deal of incompetent teaching and his son would get a much better education at a completely different school? then I might take notice.
But I would be much more concerned that the Deputy was so unprofessional and disloyal about the school they were working at.

mrz · 02/01/2014 17:29

They only wear them in the shop ... for advertising... they can wear whar they like when not at work

clam · 02/01/2014 17:30

clam, you do come across as spectacularly naïve.

LMAO. You can call it naïve, I'll call it "having a life." Xmas Grin

AsBrightAsAJewel · 02/01/2014 17:30

But only at work whendidyoulast. It isn't compulsory for them to wear their companies clothes off duty or to dress their family in them. So that point about not trusting a Hobbs assistant in New Look clothes at work doesn't really equate to schools. If you want to follow that comparison it needs to be going into Debenhams and asking if the shop assistants kids wear M&S or Debenhams clothes.

Philoslothy · 02/01/2014 17:31

I think you have a point in your last sentence. The member of staff who told me about her concerns about my children's school was clearly demoralised and at a low ebb. Yet another reason to be concerned .

whendidyoulast · 02/01/2014 17:31

Evil, it's not a question of being right or wrong.

As a teacher and parent I would like to think that other parents are able to make informed choices about their kids' education.

I would see this as one of many factors that might influence a parent's choice and it's a question I welcome from visiting parents at my own school.

If you honestly would not see it as a bad sign if the teachers actively avoided sending their kids to their school because they thought it was crap then good for you but I would think you would be in the minority there.

whendidyoulast · 02/01/2014 17:33

Talkin, you need to read the thread. Nobody's saying teachers have to send their kids to the school where they work just that it might be a bad sign if they actively avoid that school because they think it's crap.

EvilTwins · 02/01/2014 17:35

But you are working on the assumption that the main reason for "avoiding" the school is because it's crap. You come across as unbearably smug - I know it's a selling point that I send my own kids to my school

I don't send my kids to my school because they're 7 and I teach in a secondary school. It doesn't follow that I have no faith in my school.

When I start looking at secondary schools for my DTDs, I am highly unlikely to ask teachers at open evenings where their own DC go - I would consider that odd, though not necessarily rude.

clam · 02/01/2014 17:35

But as many people have pointed out, there are a myriad of reasons - solid, practical, logistical reasons, why many teachers do not send their children to their own school. I find it quite alarming that you can view it so simplistically.

whendidyoulast · 02/01/2014 17:35

'However, if the school's deputy told me that there was a great deal of incompetent teaching and his son would get a much better education at a completely different school? then I might take notice.
But I would be much more concerned that the Deputy was so unprofessional and disloyal about the school they were working at.'

The deputy head revealed that information to me when discussing his own kid's education at my school. I wouldn't let it slip to any parent considering that school but it's one example where I, as a teacher, might have more insight than other parents.

But I agree with you. It's a concern isn't it.

That's really the point I'm making.

The OP has a legitimate question which MAY influence a parent's choice of school.

whendidyoulast · 02/01/2014 17:36

'I don't send my kids to my school because they're 7 and I teach in a secondary school. It doesn't follow that I have no faith in my school.'

Of course it doesn't.

You really need to read the posts.

Philoslothy · 02/01/2014 17:37

Looking at it from another perspective - as someone who lives in the middle of catchment - I would feel very uncomfortable actively choosing to send my child to another school . I also know that people would comment on it.

whendidyoulast · 02/01/2014 17:37

'But you are working on the assumption that the main reason for "avoiding" the school is because it's crap.'

You're not reading the posts. I've said ad infinitum that there may be a million and one reasons why teachers choose a different school.

But if it's clear that there isn't a good reason then as parent I would see that as a possible warning sign as would many other parents.

If you don't that's fine and good luck to you.

whendidyoulast · 02/01/2014 17:39

'When I start looking at secondary schools for my DTDs, I am highly unlikely to ask teachers at open evenings where their own DC go - I would consider that odd, though not necessarily rude.'

Good for you. I don't consider it remotely odd when parents ask me that question.

Each to his or her own.

EvilTwins · 02/01/2014 17:39

I have.

Your argument seems to be that teachers who don't send their kids to the school they teach at are actively avoiding it because it's crap. You also insist that you sending your own kids to your school is a "selling point" Hmm

Do correct me if I'm wrong, but apparently I'm not the only poster interpreting you argument in that way.

TalkinPeace · 02/01/2014 17:39

Whendidyoulast
Nobody's saying teachers have to send their kids to the school where they work just that it might be a bad sign if they actively avoid that school because they think it's crap.

I have read the thread.
Teachers' children have to go through admissions exactly the same as anybody else.
If they live in catchment for the school they work at they may well apply.
IF they think that the school is right for their child
If they do not live in catchment they take their chances

FFS
DCs school has 300 teaching staff of whom less than 1/5 have secondary age children and staff turnover is around 5 teachers a term.

Why should their career have to affect / be affected by the school that is right for their child?

Philoslothy · 02/01/2014 17:39

Perhaps a better way of looking at it is , if staff - who know the school warts and all - choose to send their child to their school - that is a good sign.

whendidyoulast · 02/01/2014 17:40

'Your argument seems to be that teachers who don't send their kids to the school they teach at are actively avoiding it because it's crap.'

No it isn't.

Perhaps read the posts?

EvilTwins · 02/01/2014 17:41

But if it's clear that there isn't a good reason then as a parent I would see that a possible warning sign

But how the hell would you KNOW if there wasn't a "good" reason. You are very very full of yourself, whendidyoulast - apparently you can discern when strangers are lying, you can "read between the lines" and can tell immediately when someone is bluffing. How sad that you are so suspicious.

TalkinPeace · 02/01/2014 17:41

whendidyoulast
what ARE the good reasons - in your humble opinion - for a teacher NOT to send their child to the school where they work?

whendidyoulast · 02/01/2014 17:41

'Nobody's saying teachers have to send their kids to the school where they work just that it might be a bad sign if they actively avoid that school because they think it's crap.'

Read it again.

More carefully.

Philoslothy · 02/01/2014 17:41

Another interesting question to ask of primary school teachers is, would you send your child to the local catchment secondary. I have heard some interesting answers to that one too.

Swipe left for the next trending thread