Bloody Gove! Dd in state of total discombobulation re early entry GCSEs - please help me get my head round this in practical manner!

[Northernlurker]

Because what I want to do is get a train to London, doorstep the git Gove and give him an earful.

So- dd1 attends a comprehensive school. Pretty good school tbh with conscientous and committed staff. She is doing 11 GCSEs:

Maths
Eng Lan
Eng Lit
History
French
German
Art
Textiles
Triple science

They also completed the RS short course whatsit last year. She got an A. Her targets for all of the above are A except for art where it's an A.
She's so far done some controlled assessments for English and also speaking and listening and achieved well in these. The school's plan has always been to enter all the cohort this November with retakes in June if needed. Dd1 has worked hard all term (plenty of stress on her and me both) with November in mind. They did a mock just two weeks ago. Last week we got a letter telling us about a meeting tonight, called due to the school's uncertainty of how to proceed in the light of the recent announcements re early entry. Upshot is they won't be entering any student in November. It's quite clear from the meeting that dh went to taht it isn't the school's league table performance that is their concern. They have some very able students who should achieve well above a C but they basically dare not risk putting them in because every sign they can see suggests that there will be further interference with grade boundaries. We are horrified by this but I totally take their point. In May their speaking and listening was scrutinised and the moderation moderated or whatnot. It was rated excellent. Yesterday they got a letter saying it would be reviewed. There's no way to see that other than as a threat to discourage early entry.

Dd1 is devastated by this. She's working well and was winding herself up (in every sense) to take the blooming exams next month, get A/A* and if she did that then it was done. Finished. Allowing her more time to stress about the others in June. Now that 'second chance' option has been taken away and she'll lose the speaking and listening marks already done.
School are also talking about doing Further Maths or similar because that's what the plan for the top set was anyway. I do NOT want her doing MORE bloody summer exams.

So my questions wise mumsnetters are:

1. What would you do in this scenario. Dh and I think we have to accept the school's decision. Are we right to think that?

2. How do you reglue a totally unglued 15yr old who likes structure and order and is struggling to accept that grade boundaries can be mucked around with and no it isn't fair (anybody giving me an answer that works on this one can pretty much name their price)

3. Should I resist any attempt to enter her for further qualifications?

4. has anybody else come across this scenario and what is your school doing?

Poor dd, 4 boubon biscuits and some popcorn have just disappeared in to the living room where she's trying to watch the Big Bang Theory wrapped in a blanket but she's still stifling sobs.

Just read his speech - at the end where he compares two airlines, one with trained pilots and one with untrained pilots? Yes Mr Gove, us parents would quite like the trained teachers please, none of this untrained unqualified teachers in academies and free schools business you're so keen on.

Utter, utter bastard he is:

"One of the things I would say to union leaders is: why are you putting the interests of adults ahead of the needs of children?"

Well that's a good question Michael. WHY ARE YOU DOING THAT?

Dd is a lot calmer now and plans to be spending half term on art and textiles coursework rather than revision. I have asked HQ about getting Gove on for a webchat. Dd is working on her question for him. Apparently it involves referencing some remarks he's made previously.....

well, if they do get him for a webchat, I'm booking my year 11s into an IT room when it's on.

They'd like a word.

hmmmmm ... popcorn moment brewing.
I suspect the teachers and our school age children might be "interested" in his responses

I hope he's arrogant enough to come on. I suspect his natural cowardice will triumph though.

Update; letter from dds school-all students being pulled from early entry. As they now only get 1 go, dd is now not doing english lit, which she loves, because she is dyslexic and now must focus all her efforts on english language. She has been told to hand back her texts. So all the work she has done for 3 and a half terms is wasted. Since when was english lit unimportant and now optional. There are no words.

green so sorry for your DD. It is an awful situation.

Aaaargh.

greenfolder, we've taken the horrible decision to move a borderline C/D set from doing Eng Lang & Lit (2 GCSEs) to English (single GCSE combining Lang & Lit).

Your dd may well be doing the same - it's unlikely she'll be dropping Eng Lit & doing just Eng Lang, as Eng Lang doesn't count towards performance measures without Eng Lit, whereas English does.

I'm having to re-do all their Controlled Assessments with my group. At least one CA - which took half a term to teach & complete - is now entirely redundant. Three others will now be replaced. One entirely new CA task will now need to be completed.

The silver lining, such as it is, is that they now won't be preparing for two tough Eng Lit exams - just the English/Eng Lang exam - which is also exacting, & was planned to be taken in two weeks time before Gove played silly buggers.

Frankly, that's proving extremely cold comfort to my y11s & probably also to your dd...

There are LOTS of words. I'm just trying not to utter them in earshot of my students.

What's being done to our teenagers is cruel & dishonest. Simple as.

Greenfolder and Raven - so sorry about the situation you're both in. Give must be held to account for this.

I sympathise immensely with the children involved and it is not fair to change the rules so close to the finishing line BUT

but I do think parents are really not helping here.

"So all the work she has done for 3 and a half terms is wasted. "

But surely the end goal of going to school is not "to gain a mark" but to learn. Or am I missing something here.

Disclaimer. I am a foreigner. I don't have any kids in education yet in the UK, but I do have experience of studying here at university level (in a brilliant school). I was glad to see that the work was marked but the emphasis was on the learning process. How come it is so different at secondary school level, especially with GCSEs?

bemybebe because much of that time has been learning and practising specific skills in order to jump through controlled assessment and exam hoops. Those hoops have just been removed. Had they not been there from the start then hat time could have been spent learning as you suggest. Sadly there is too little teaching time, to cover ever changing specifications, most teachers would love to instil a love of their subject over teaching to the exam, and much as we try, it is almost impossible not to focus on the specifications. That is how students are measured, how we and our schools are judged. The grade boundaries are being moved, it is harder and harder to achieve grades, and if students don't achieve what they need to, that can affect all their choices post 16, including job possibilities.

bemybebe
What experience do you have of lower ability pupils in non selective state schools?
They are most certainly there to get through the tests and then they escape from education as fast as they can.
They go and cut hair and drive tractors and lay bricks and mend cars.
For which an understanding of the finer points of Charles Dickens is utterly pointless.

MrsHercule sounds like we are on the same wavelength as I am amazed how much time is devoted to exam preparation and not to learning itself.

Talkin No experience whatsoever. But I do not buy "understanding of the finer points of Charles Dickens is utterly pointless". I cannot really go into this debate right now as this topic is vast, but there is certain basic knowledge and skillset that makes one prepared for adult life and everything it throws at this person and proverbial Dickens is very important in this case. Otherwise, why should everyone have a voting right if all they are equipped to do is "cut hair" or "drive tractors"?

bemybebe
I am amazed how much time is devoted to exam preparation and not to learning itself.
There are children who really struggle to grasp basic concepts like times tables.
They are the ones at the opposite tail of the IQ normal distribution curve from the kids at superselectives.
You are insulting them even more by expecting them to faff about with stuff they will never use (like Dickens) and then remove from the qualifications the part they will need while serving you at the department store - Speaking and Listening.

But "Dickens" IS "speaking and listening" at a right level... I did not realise we are speaking about the tails, I thought this is about the vast majority of students who revise for the purpose of the examination only.

My dd is caught up in this too. Only got a B in maths in June so plan was to retake in November and then further maths. She has had to take an extra mock so school can decide whether she gets to enter in november after all. More stress. Actually I'm with Gove on this one and would much prefer that the schools taught the gcse courses over 2 years rather than one. Dd may have followed English lit for A levels but she is not doing lit at all this year as she got an A in the summer...

bemybebe
The C/D boundary kids at single English are the lower 20%
You really need to get a bit more of an understanding of life outside selective education.
Then again so should all politicians.

emphasis was on the learning process This is exactly what a good school teaches, how to learn. I have two older dcs and so the last
7 years have been one long treadmill of constant exams and revision. I would be much happier if a school educated children and put them in for exams at the end (or controlled assessment if more appropriate) But we are caught up in this and whilst I agree with the principle, nothing should be changed without a years notice to the schools and pupils involved.

Talkin I was in a comprehensive. I am a foreigner, we did not have selective schools and because of my schooling I was able to gain BA Economics and studying for MA Art History, not counting the two years in the Medical School, which I abandoned because I decided to not to pursue a medical career (my results were all v good).

Sorry OP, I won't derail further

jchocchip totally agree

I have two older dcs and so the last 7 years have been one long treadmill of constant exams and revision
but my private schools had internal summer exams in every subject from the age of 4 to 18 .....
and then I went to University and had exams every six months
and then I trained as an accountant and sat 21 more three hour exams ....

I wasn't talking about internal exams, which I would expect. I did internal exams every summer too. I mean that one or other of our dcs has had an external exam or assessment every summer/ autumn/ and some in spring throughout the last 7 years. The school seems to me to be an exam factory, it has cut almost all extracurricular except music and sport and doesn't even have a lunchtime any more for societies. It is just focused on exams and league tables and never seems to go off at a tangent just because something in the news would be interesting to learn about.

I'm not in England and don't have any lo in secondary school so I'm not familiar with what's going on

Am I right in thinking that previously schools could enter pupils for their GCSE grade twice and the school could use the best grade for the league table? And if pupil got grade they were happy with GCSE was finished and they could focus on other studies?

And now Gove has changed the rules mid GCSE to say schools can only use first grade achieved so schools are reluctant to do two sittings as majority if pupils are more likely to get better grade if they study over longer period? But this results in multiple exams being taken at same time therefore more stress?

And also prior to Gove announcement pupils has already say verbal part if GCSE and attained a grade or percentage of grade for this but Gove now says this can no longer be used?

Have I got it right?

My DD is in year 11 and is in exactly the same position.

What I think is that you as a parent should not get too het up about it. Your anxiety (no matter how well you try to conceal it) will be transmitting to your daughter, and by reading your posts, undoubtedly making things worse.

Just remember it is the whole cohort of Y11s that are affected. Not just half leaving the other half advantaged against their peer group. All of them are affected.

Forget about it old love. You can't change it. The only thing you can try to manage is yours and your DD's reaction to it. Have a

Wuldric - dh and I have had our feet well off the parental anxiety peddle for the last year. It doesn't make any difference to dd (except to hopefully help her cope a bit better) She can go from 0-60 in the anxiety stakes all by herself.