ethnic mix at st albans boys and st albans high school for girls

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Does anyone know the ethnic make up of these schools. Any other info on them would be grwat too.
Thanks

Going just by observation, about 95%. The two schools mainly serves the local area, which is predominantly white.

.. about 95% white ....

I don't think they are required to publish this (state schools are). As a whole, the independent sector is slightly less 'white British' than the state sector as a whole, but this may not be true on a local level, i.e. a private school in London is likely to be less white than a state school in London, whereas a private boarding school in rural Dorset, say, will certainly have far more children who are not white British than local state schools.

~75% is the proportion that are white British in both sectors btw.

Im intrigued. ...So what is the ethnic mix in Surrey schools? Which schools have the most Chinese girls.

At Surrey senior state schools:

81.4% white British
0.4% white Irish
4.8% other White
0.2% gypsy/Roma
1.0% white + black Caribbean
0.5% white + black African
1.4% white + Asian
1.2% other mixed race
1.2% Indian
1.4% Pakistani
0.5% Bangladeshi
2.1% other Asian
0.3% Caribbean
1.0% African
0.2% other black
0.4% Chinese
0.7% other
1.0% not classified

This varies from school to school. E.g., Ash Manor is 5.5% gypsy/Roma

The three with the most Pakistani background children are all in Woking, which has a large Pakistani population: Bishop David Brown 21%, Woking High 11.6%, Winston Churchill 7.5%.

All Hallows Catholic School (Farnham) is 8.9% 'Other Asian' (not sure if this is a particular group?)

No schools have a large Chinese population. Gordon's School has 12 Chinese children, which is 1.7% of a small school. Tomlinscote and George Abbot both have just over 20, which is roughly 1.2% of the population.

At primary the numbers you see less white British (presumably effect of recent immigration)

76.2% white British
0.2% white Irish
6.9% other White
0.3% gypsy/Roma
0.8% white + black Caribbean
0.5% white + black African
1.7% white + Asian
1.8% other mixed race
2.0% Indian
1.7% Pakistani
0.6% Bangladeshi
2.1% other Asian
0.1% Caribbean
0.8% African
0.1% other black
0.3% Chinese
0.8% other
0.7% not classified

Primary schools again vary, and to a greater degree than secondary. Darley Dene, in Addlestone, is 47.5% 'other White'. I am not clear why this would be.

Ash Grange Primary school is 39.6% gypsy/Roma.

Three schools in Woking again the highest % of Pakistani children - New Monument, 60.7%, Maybury Infants 56.7%, and Sythwood 30.7%

Not many Chinese children in any Surrey primary schools, 11 children is the highest number, at Cleves in Weybridge.

There is no particular 'Chinese' school anywhere in Britain, but you will invariably find larger than average Chinese populations at state grammar schools.

Actually only seven secondary schools in the country have 5%+ Chinese, these are: Liverpool Blue Coat 9.6%, Henrietta Barnett 8.6%, Kendrick 7%, Latymer 6.2%, Tiffin Girls 6.2%, Nonsuch High 5.2% and Deptford Green 5%. As perhaps you will notice, all of these schools, with the exception of Deptford Green, are selective grammar schools.

Basically the Chinese footprint is minuscule compared to other races. So where have they all gone too...Do they not goto school?

Im fascinated about what other blacks are?

It actually surpised me that there arent any Chinese schools in the big Metropolitan areas. I know there are big Chinese populatipn in Liverpool, Manchester and London.

Another surprising thing is where do the not so clever.Chinese go... Im first generation and I went to a comp...The numbers have really surprised me. I actually thought there was more Chinese in the UK from your data the ethnic Chinese population is below 1%?

Why does it matter?

What difference would it make??

I just find all the stats amazing its amazing what you learn from Stats and figures...I suppose Im a bit bias as I like epidermology so I like to see stats and what they infer.

I think its curiosity more than anything else.

Kenlee - I think the posters were wondering why the ethnic make up of those schools mattered to the OP.

But with regards to your question about the miniscule Chinese footprint, if you live in the metropolitan areas like London and Manchester then it is easy to get the impression that there are more Chinese in the UK than what there actually are.

"a private school in London is likely to be less white than a state school in London, "

Really?

Where do you get that info from? If it is true at all it certainly isn't true for a huge swathe of S London around where I live!

sorry I got that the wrong way round.

Of course I meant more white!

Kenlee - I can (and have!) looked at the little annual statistics book the Economist sends around for hours!

But anyway... outside of London, and other big metropolitan areas, there aren't that many Chinese in the UK, IMHO. Completely different to, say, California!!!

According to this, www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/jan/21/britishidentity3

the Chinese population is highly dispersed because of the Chinese restaurant trade, and specifically wanting to establish a restaurant in each town. So a total population of 0.8% Chinese isn't heavily concentrated anywhere.

I have been to California and again I dont really see the Chinese making a big footprint. They do have a few Chinatowns which are larger than in the UK.

Personally I think the Chinese got it right. They never concentrated in one area. Makes it easy to integrate.

Educationally overseas Chinese do not like to send their kids to schools with high numbers of Chinese. They prefer them to be immersed into the English culture and not speak Chinese. That way they will not only be able to read and write English. They will also have a British accent. Yes it is a good ice breaker.

I think this is interesting - I never thought about the restaurant trade spreading nationalities "thinly"- maybe it applies to Italians and Bangladeshi (most "Indian" restaurants I'm told).
I usually have to put my DDs as "other white" on these surveys as they are half Irish half American - maybe that accounts for the "other black".
For OP my 2 cents worth is I think the mix % is higher slightly unless you are only interested in skin tone. We visited SAHS and were shown round by a British accented student with sub-continent skin tone, whose brother was at the st A boys. I SO wanted to send my DDs there but we didn't want to spend the money. I often regret it and am itching to send dd2 despite the jealousy that might entail.....

KateShrub - did those figures come from a specific website? Please link if so

Also I disagree that private schools are either more white or more other, there's a thread about st helen in harrow that is apparently mostly subcontinent, it just depends on the local mix plus the affluence levels and attitude to education within sub groups of that mix. White brits were very much in the minority in our north London state primary, and they very clearly were more working class than most of the non-white. Also it changed massively in the 3 school years between my two DDs - we left as dd2 was almost alone in speaking English (2 others non-white by the way) and being GnT inclined in English it clearly wasn't right for her. However I really miss the ethnic mix out in white smug Hertfordshire and sometimes want to move back to london, especially if we are going to switch to private anyway...

The first wave of immigrants opened their shops far from the competition. The second wave came along and said to themselves - he is doing well. I think I'll open a shop near him. That is why these days you often find Chinese (and Indian?) takeaways literally next door to each other. This really pisses off my first wave friend :)

Re ethnic mix at private schools, the North London ones are substantially Asian whereas the Surrey ones are substantially white. It all depends on the location.

Ha ha....I think the restaurant trade is really for first generation immigrant.Second generation immigrants usually would have left the family trade as soon as they could. Its interesting really that a lot of the private schools have a lot of second generation immigrant children.

I think race has nothing to do with the kid being smarter.I do think it is parent interaction or what incentive there is to make the child study.

Actually I think that a lot of them are back in the family trade.

A friend of mine graduated and went on to work in PC Support. NIC and PAYE takes a sizeable chunk of the gross salary. Then there is the commute followed by 9 to 5 chained to a desk. Then there is the being ordered around by your boss thing. If you keep your nose clean then you might get a small percentage salary increase at the end of the year.

After two years my friend went back to the family business.

I find that the high achieving Chinese tend to be newly arrived upper MC from HK or China. They go on to be highly paid professionals whereas 2nd gen like my mate gets so so degrees and end up in so so so jobs that doesn't pay as well as a take away job.

Seeline: data source is Schools Census.

www.education.gov.uk/rsgateway/DB/SFR/s001071/sfr10-2012ud.zip

www.education.gov.uk/rsgateway/DB/SFR/s001071/sfr10-2012ud.zip