Would you be prepared to pay more tax to get better state education for all?

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Any other suggestions welcome to ensure that all where ever they live and whatever their background have access to education of the highest quality.

"But I didn't say that view should be silenced. You just made that up. Like you made it up that someone on this thread said GCSEs from state school were worthless."

No I didn't. That what you decided I had said- even thought I actually explained that I didn't.

And I really don't see how saying that of course someone can comment but it's a fucking cheek if they do is not trying to silence them!

I hope you're not talking to me, wordfactory... I never said anything about state school GCSEs. And I wouldn't say it is cheeky to say you would be willing for tax rates at the higher level to go up when that would affect your own family and probably result in you giving up voluntary work in order to go back into paid work to make up the deficit.

HG
Surely it depends on your outgoings/aspirations if you feel squeezed - if one had 2/3 kids at major public school (33k pa each), large mortgage payments, I imagine you can still feel squeezed as highest rate tax payer if you are paying 50% tax rate and being asked to increase that. Of course you could always change your lifestyle and aspirations.

No, the GCSE thing was me, rabbit.

socareless - I find you quick to be offensive.
How would you interpret this, which you wrote, then?
"Of course if you don't earn a penny but rely on husband or state for daily bread, increasing tax would favour you but not the hard working".

rabbit
I suppose the way I see things is that the default option of suggesting others should pay more tax (e.g. your DH) is a way of opting out of responsibility for the problem. The solution becomes others should do or contribute more.

Going on to my other point, SureStart did help with some aspects of the problem but whilst it supported families I don't know if it really helped with the disengagement with education. I think there has to be sustained work with families in those areas where education is not seen as a priority. Its not just about what they learn in school but also about what pressures on the family might make the whole process of getting to school and staying interested difficult. I don't claim to have the answers but I do feel that a lot of the problems start long before secondary school and often before primary school. Now that is something I would pay for.

Because rabbit people who make time to go out and work are hard working.

"To to be honest I am a but suspicious of people who can't do paid work but can do voluntary work."?????? What makes you think people who do voluntary work CAN'T do paid work?

socareless, surely you can see that the clear meaning of your sentence was that people who rely on husband or state for "daily bread" are not hard working?

"Going on to my other point, SureStart did help with some aspects of the problem but whilst it supported families I don't know if it really helped with the disengagement with education."

That was certainly one of its intentions. And it did some fantastic work. Those pesky non tax paying volunteers again, eh?

Such a generalisation socareless - I can assure you that people staying at home to care for disabled or elderly children or other relatives are working a damn sight harder than many in work.

No can't see that rabbit. And for your info I gave up my weekend.voluntary youth work service to local church when I had even. So go figure.

I don't know if it really helped with the disengagement with education.
If those children are at a school which writes them off from an early age with 'what can you do with children like these?', 'can't make a silk purse from a sow's ear' and such like, then is it all that surprising that they don't engage with education? Better training for teachers in such schools? Although there are some teachers there doing sterling work, so it's not fair to target them with the same brush. I don't know what the solution is either.

When I had dd 1

Have you sorted it out yet? Who is allowed to comment without it being "a fucking cheek"?

ChazsBrilliantAttitude - I can see that by having only one person doing paid, taxable work and the other opting not to pay others to care for their children in nurseries, or pay for cleaners or childminders or nannies or gardeners, or private tutors, you are creating less paid employment for others and thereby reducing the government's tax take. You are not, however, being lazy or sponging off the state if you can as a family unit afford to do this.

You are only allowed to comment, seeker, if you are in the squeezed middle. It is a cheek to comment if only your dh is in the squeezed middle and therefore your whole family is squeezed, because families are not units, they are made up of several potential taxpayers and you are sponging off your husband, not mutually deciding how to arrange your family and spend the family income.

Why not pop along to the local hospital and catch the porters/cleaners/nurses/doctors coming off the night shift?

Why not tell them that you want them to pay more tax?

Then tell them how long ago it was when you worked and paid tax.

Then tell them how many hours a day you spend on MN.

Then tell em again that you want toput up their tax...

Fancy that converstaion?

Who said I want the low paid to pay more tax? I've already had that conversation with my dh, who is the sort of person I would have in mind to be capable of paying more tax...

Then have the conversation with the doctors.

How about the surgeon who has been up all night saving a child's life. A surgeon who hasn't seen her own child for a couple of days?

Then tell her why she should pay more tax.
And why you shouldn't pay any.

La Volcan I agree about people looking after disabled children or elderly relatives but what is the %? I actually thought most old people in the UK end up in homes looked after by the state with some top UPS from their pension?
Is that not one of the future crisis to hit the budget soon? The social care bill?

Why are you so very angry, Wordfactory?

Instead, could I have the conversation with the surgeon's husband, who's the principle career for their children, and who makes sure the household runs properly, and who is a volunteer reader at the local school, and also volunteers at the local Job Club, helping the long term unemployed make themselves ready for interviews and the world of work.

That would be an interesting conversation word. Can already picture it.

Not remotely angry seeker

Finding it all a bit funny TBH...the cheek of it is almost delicious.
It would make a great scene in a book.

But why would you be having the conversation with the surgeon's tax hike with her husband? Why wouldn't you be asking the poor bugger who has been up all night and hasn't seen her DC?

And why too, do you assume she has a SAHP? Hardly any women do!

Ah. In my book accusing somebody of "fucking cheek" sounds just a bit angry.

And why are you assuming that the surgeon ^doesn't have a stay at home partner? Many do.