Russel Group Admissions data by school and LEA

[TalkinPeace2]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-18868753
www.education.gov.uk/researchandstatistics/statistics/recentreleases/a00210491/destinations-ks-4-5-pupils

According to the stats, there were 313340 state KS5 students in England.
Of them 2280 or 0.73 % went to Oxbridge
and 28890 or 9.2% went to the whole Russel group.

I'll keep digging but I suspect that a fair few of the 0% schools were in grammar areas ....

Thank you talkinpeace, interesting, think the sutton trust did a report using this kind of data.

Very interesting.

It is shocking that there are so many LEAs sending 0% of all its children to Oxbridge. Surely their children deserve better.

Strange data in some respects.

orangeberries
I really, really, really think that the focus on Oxbridge is wrong.
For a start there are very few places
and for a second, they are NOT THE RIGHT UNIVERSITY for many courses.
Look at the Russell group figures.
EVERY bright child should be able to find a Russell group course to their liking.
BUT
the fact that grammar schools are getting such a high percentage, and their surrounding schools such a low means that bright kids who miss out on grammar schools are missing out on opportunities (and all the tutoring threads on MN show that parental motivation is as good an indicator of grammar school entry as innate intelligence.)

yellowtip
the data is very raw - the Dfe page says so - they are not sure what to do with it and are hoping somebody clever will pop it into a database to mine it.

I was pleased to see how well PSC came out as that is where my kids will go!

0 to Oxbridge and 5% of Russell Group here in the South West. Not surprised though as all our LA secondaries are fairly shocking going by GCSE and A-level stats. Only 30% go to any sort of Higher Education Institution.

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If you read the small print, if a school had less that 10 kids getting into Oxbridge the data was admitted. The data is also in % terms, so presumably any area with less than 0.5% would be rounded down.

So in my area, the headline figure for the LEA is 0, but at least 2 schools got students into Oxbridge last year as I know 2 of them!!

omitted, sorry

I wonder whether admissions are being affected by costs, and students deciding to stay local so they can live at home?
ie, would Oxfordshire/Cambridgeshire LEA's have a higher Oxbridge take-up than Newcastle or say, Cumbria?
Just a thought.

what does it show on the school by school data compared with the LEA data as certainly some LEAs are shown with 3 kids at oxbridge

1805
remember that this data is last summers exams, so applications made nearly 2 years ago ....
the impact of £9000 tuition fees will not show up properly in A level data for three years

Well I really think the focus on Russel Group is wrong! I know of a department at a UK Uni that is ranked 3rd in the world (dept I mean) for that subject, but the Uni itself is not RG. Am still trying to dig thru the links to find our LEA...

yeah, double check, nobody from our LEA went to Oxbridge in 2009-2010 yr. I know of a few since, though :).

@yellow strange indeed. Croydon had 0!

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KS5 Chart - Croydon had 10 and 90 to RG and 1000 to other unis out of 2080 A level students

These figures seem very odd. I think our LEA had 1 at Oxbridge and 7 at Russel Group. That seems a pitifully low number for the latter.

Riddlesdown, Coloma, Harris and Tenison each got 2 or three kids in (the x means three or less but they would be identifable without it)

NB the LA chart is percentage - and the NATIONAL percentage to Oxbridge is 0.79% so LOTS of LEAs will come at 0.49% or below - rounded to zero ....

Add a couple of Decimal places and all becomes clear ....

Or go to the Institution level data set which is absolute numbers and therefore highlights the local disparities better

And? So, if a DD or DS doesn't get into a Russell Group, should we all give up? Regard our children as second class? I realise that there are some MNers for whom there are only two universities and that the rest really do not figure in the educational stakes. I am so, so sick of the intellectual snobbery on this website that I am going to take myself off. And yes, I realise that you will just not give a damn. Bye bye people.

Sloobreeus
Oxbridge / RG is by no means the be all and end all for every child
BUT
They are right for many children who are currently not getting the chance because better connected but thicker private school kids are getting their places.
What tables and discussions like these highlight is the fact that the UK is wasting its talent and resources - and at a time in the world economy when it can ill afford to.
So anything that makes all schools try to bring out the best in all pupils, how can that be bad?

It certainly takes more skill to be a good plumber than it does to be a merchant banker IMHO

Can see where Sloo might be coming from, TalkinPeace. You say yourself that the UK might be wasting talent and resources and I wonder what you mean by this. That the talent evident at Oxbridge does not exist anywhere else? And your remark about plumbers, sounds so patronising. Would you be pleased if any of your DC eschewed university to become a plumber? You will say, 'Yes,' but I will not believe you for a second.

Hippyhat
No, my kids will not become plumbers. Not how their brains work.
One of my clients who is a plumber has as his phone wallpaper the most amazing boiler control room plumbing that he did - its art. And he earns extremely good money so I'm not planning to patronise him or my other plumber clients.

There are too many people at Oxbridge and RG who, without the hothousing of certain schools, would be distinctly mediocre. And too few really talented kids from outside the M25 getting the connections and teaching that will help them in later life.

As a case in point (and I'm anti grammars in their current form) look how many grammar school kids from the 1950's have made it to the top of the heap - back when social mobility still existed.
Britain is becoming increasingly unequal. That is NOT good for our children and grandchildren - even the rich ones.

Publishing more data is one of the few good things DfE has been doing IMO.

A bunch of the bigger (not best) unis got together as a lobbying group to influence policy. Within in a short period of time, this Group become (in many people's eyes) THE group of unis to aim for!!

The PR firm the the RG employed must be one of the most successful ever!!

Does UCAS, or anyone else, publish data based on student's home address rather than by school?