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That massive bellend Toby Young strikes again

36 replies

Itchyandscratchy · 02/07/2012 22:51

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pinkteddy · 02/07/2012 23:20

I can't bear the man. Unbelievable that he is running a state funded school.

"You shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a school if you only want to include the "right sort" of kids. I'll be fighting against "free" schools until they're gone. "

Couldn't agree more.

noblegiraffe · 03/07/2012 00:34

Interesting that the son of a Lord thinks that his educational experience is of any relevance. After failing his exams he went to work in Israel for 3 months before going back to resit? I'm sure those sorts of opportunities are available to everyone.

Clearly he thinks that his self esteem wasn't damaged by sitting some CSEs, but then I expect being born into privilege might have helped with that somewhat.

Hopefullyrecovering · 03/07/2012 01:02

I just read his Wiki entry, which was hilarious

After failing most of his O-levels, he got two Bs and a C at A-level and managed to get in to Oxford after Brasenose College sent him an acceptance letter by mistake.

noblegiraffe · 03/07/2012 07:22

I'm fairly sure that Oxford would be able to rescind an offer that turned out to be a mistake. Perhaps he doesn't want people to suspect that he was trading on his father's name.

I once had the misfortune of reading his book How To Lose Friends and Alienate People well before I'd ever heard of him otherwise I'd have avoided it. He really is the most repugnant person and the thought of him having any influence over the education of children makes me sick.

talkingnonsense · 03/07/2012 07:38

That second paragraph is literally unbelievable, I almost hope one of his kids has to spend time in a wheelchair/ needs the sen department. Can't believe no one edited it out for him.

PollyParanoia · 03/07/2012 10:23

The comments below are so well written and he has no answer to them.
He writes these things to be deliberately provocative but has no compass as to when it's just offensive idiocy (he thinks he's being all satirical and daring to say what no one else does).
People who know David Cameron say he has been profoundly affected by the experience of a having a child with such complex needs. Before that he genuinely thought we lived in a meritocracy where his effortless rise to the top had nothing to do with his background, and everything to do with his genius. Having Ivan forced him to recognise that there are so many accidents of birth.
I wouldn't wish ill on anyone, but TY seems to be coming at it from an assumption that his own kids are grammar/o level types. He might be forced to re-think these assumptions in later years. He's like the parents who come round my kids' primary on a tour and always, without exception, ask 'and what provisions do you make for the very bright child'. And guess what, their kids rarely are this mythic very bright child...

SarkyWench · 03/07/2012 10:30

"any exam that isn?t ?accessible? to a functionally illiterate troglodyte with a mental age of six will be judged to be ?elitist"... "

How can he possibly think it is ok to refer to children with severe SEN as "troglodytes".

Angry
cormsilky · 03/07/2012 10:41

he did a webchat on here - I've looked and I can't find it now.
I asked a few times about the % of children on school action plus and with statements in his school and he was very vague, but I think that he claimed that not one child with SEN (or perhaps with a statement) had applied....Hmm
can't find the webchat now though

DulcetMoans · 03/07/2012 10:44

I'm not sure why I even read it, I knew I'd get annoyed.

SarkyWench · 03/07/2012 10:47

any education policy that funds someone like this to play a key role in children's education is completely fucked up.

BerryLellow · 03/07/2012 10:56

Toby Young, for example, is a twat.

LittenTree · 03/07/2012 12:00

Um...
Yes, I am not a fan of Toby Young, I am not a fan of Free Schools...

However, I am not so 'done to death' by PC that I can't see through some of his commentary to the point he's trying to make.

FWIW I have a problem with a 2 tier exam/testing system. Why? Because I think it should be 10 tier.

I have no issue with the concept of DS1 taking 10 'O' levels where his ability should net him 3 or 4 A's, a couple of B's, a couple of C's, or so. I have no problem with DS2 taking 7 or 8 CSEs, maybe an 'O' level or 2, or maybe B.Tec, or an OND, depending on where his interests and talents lie, come 14. Yes, 14. I truly believe that it's fair enough for someone to be 'set on a course' at 14. So someone like DS2 might become a competent plumber at 18, for instance. Especially in these days where education goes on being available throughout one's life. Attempting to keep all doors open to all DCs is utterly counterproductive. Baulking at the O level 'rigour' prevents our state schooled more academically able from being able to compete with often more average private school DC who have IGCSEs under their belt. So yes, keep the GCSE, but introduce an O level. Keep the GCSE as the middle ground, and introduce CSEs for the less academically gifted.

DS2 is in Y6, and he is academically 'average'. I know this for a fact as he is almost certain to get 4s for his SATS and was independently assessed (by his literacy tutor) as being at around Age 11 for his writing, comprehension, spelling, with reading coming it at 12.4. And I get really cross when I say to my MC, degree educated workmates with similarly aged DCs that my DS2 will 'do OK', he'll most likely be heading for the local technical school and will become a tradesman, like his 2 uncles, and they say 'Ooh, how could you say that? He's 'only little', he may suddenly take a great leap forwards , how could you condemn him to an apprenticeship at 11?'! The inference is 'Come on, Litten! He may yet not fail!' as if my realistic appraisal of his abilities is in someway failing him, my full understanding that university would be a complete waste of time and money for him (though I suspect the notion of 50% of DCs going to uni will be long dead, come 7 years hence), that he'd be far better off doing an apprenticeship. It is a country-wide extrapolation of the idea that anything other than academe is 'failure' that is really failing our DC, the one-size-fits all (or a pretence that it does) GCSE system.

All I ask is that the DCs all attend the same school and are not segregated into grammars, SMs, Technical colleges etc. (How many people knew that every town was supposed to have a Technical school as well as a GS and SM?!)

The Big Issue is that we, as a society, have allowed ourselves to be dazzled by academic performance alone, thus all DCs, regardless of their sometimes patent unsuitability ( eg too 'driven' for the modularity of GCSEs; not just 'not clever enough' for them), are pushed into the same style of exam. Much of the rest of Europe (whom was all appear to cite so wistfully when comparing our own allegedly 'rubbish' educational system with) have no problem at all with differentiating DCs and their abilities at 14; these'd be countries that still have a manufacturing industry, who value practical and engineering skills, wouldn't they? Unlike us who consider the apogee of success to be 'a job in banking'.

JuliaScurr · 03/07/2012 12:16

I used to have my doubts about Harriet Harman. Not any more.

SauvignonBlanche · 03/07/2012 17:39

What an arse he is! Shock

BrianButterfield · 03/07/2012 17:43

"If I?d done GCSEs instead ? and, in today?s money, my terrible performance would have netted me eight A*s" - er, nope. No it wouldn't. Trust me.

Rosebud05 · 03/07/2012 17:49

I agree with whoever said that any education system that gives this man millions of ££££££ of public money to open a school is fucked.

Our education system is on its way to being completely fucked c/o Gove, and Young is one of his many hangers on who are drunk on patronage and power but don't have much between the ears.

pointythings · 03/07/2012 20:32

I am Shock by this. I mean, I knew TY was a twat, but the stuff about wheelchair ramps - words fail. Sad.

Gove probably lapped it up.

topsmart · 03/07/2012 20:41

I utterly agree that Toby Young is an insufferable idiot. But don't get assume he was born into a high position - his father didn't inherit his title, he was made a life peer because of his good works, including founding the Open University See his Wikipedia entry, sounds like an amazing man: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Young,_Baron_Young_of_Dartington

MissBetseyTrotwood · 03/07/2012 20:56

That SEN paragraph (and its 'explanation') beggars belief. The comments reaffirmed my will to live though, especially the one from 'London Teacher' (who was right about GCSEs, fwiw.)

TimeChild · 03/07/2012 21:37

Yes, his father was an amazing man. Clearly TY is still in his adolescent phase, kicking against his upbringing in the most outrageous way he can. The frightening thing is that Gove has given him backing and the public funds to set up his own school.

LateDeveloper · 03/07/2012 23:03

Yes it takes a bit of thought and work to make classrooms and activities assessible to kids who require wheelchairs and other aids.

But those children absolutely have every right to an education. I can't believe Toby Young thinks giving children who already have it tough access to their local school is too big an ask.

What an idiot

KittieCat · 03/07/2012 23:15

I didn't realised I disliked Toby Young as much as I do. He has done well to prove his twuntery in this piece.

Insufferable twunt. Fact.

sinclair · 04/07/2012 06:48

not surprising that if there are no children with statements at WLFS - by the time they were able to accept applications for current Y7 people had already had places confirmed elsewhere as the statemented children get allocated places ahead of the general population. There is still only one year at the school -no sixth form. This is not to defend TY but how the timing worked last year.

It will be more interesting to see whether the Sept 12 intake has a more varied cohort ... and to hear from any current parents who can reassure us that the sub Dickensian views above do not represent the prevailing attitudes at the school?

freerangeeggs · 09/07/2012 19:22

At risk of sounding like an illiterate troglodyte... Toby Young got pwned.

drjohnsonscat · 15/07/2012 16:10

How dreadful. The man is an imbecile and apparently unaware of his own limitations.

He is the very definition of the Dunning - Kruger Effect. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning?Kruger_effect