The best Independent schools generally take the highest qualified teachers?

[Hamishbear]

It might be obvious to many that the most academic schools insist that their teachers have an outstanding degree from one of the best universities but it wasn't to me.

For example if you want a job in Maths at Guildford High school allegedly you need a first in Maths from a well regarded university. You obviously need to be an outstanding teacher in the fullest sense too.

So do the elite schools usually have the best teachers? I suppose it stands to reason that there is more competition for jobs at schools that have a fantastic reputation?

jabed I would be genuinely interested to know what you read at Cambridge and what subject you now teach. You say that it's a shortage subject, which implies science or maths. But I thought somewhere else you had mentioned philosophy. I may be muddling you with someone else.

I think the appointment of NQTs might simply be that they were a better fit experience wise in the department in question - nothing more political than that. Also of course (and this may well be very unfair) the fact of redundancy can raise a question in people's minds.

But what was it that caused you to shuttle between school and university teaching anyhow? You give the impression that you've moved around quite a lot.

I am going to report you for accusing me of trolling.

If that's trolling, you frequently do the same with your offensive posts about state schools.

I suppose I do find the comments that jabed has made about state school pupils over time indicates a lack of empathy, which is something I would want to probe if I was interviewing for any job at any level within the educational field.

Some students of all ages have problems. They can't learn effectively if these are shunned and ignored.

I would be genuinely interested to know what you read at Cambridge and what subject you now teach

I am sorry yellowtip but I will have to decline to answer your question. I am not happy with the way I have been treated on this thread. I am not giving further information to anyone. It gets abused.

I am logging off now.

Have a good summer:)

My summer is set fair jabed, thanks :)

Tbh it's fairly ludicrous to decline to even what your subject was/ is. You don't help your credibility at all.

Or rather, to even say!

When Jabed says he's logging off, it means he going to post a minimum of three more posts.

Were I on an interview panel, or reading Cvs and letters at a state school, I might well query the lack of empathy, the sexist attitudes, the snobbishness, the distaste for modern teaching and teachers and the disgust for the pupils he would be expected to teach - in any candidate who applied.

I am rather tired of people speaking for me originalsteamingnit.

If I say anything it seems I will be in trouble.

Yellowtip - credibility? I have been character assassinated already. I don?t think what I teach is relevant here.

I am inclined not to bother to return to MN at all, but that will just allow some posters to tell more lies make assumptions and present them as facts here. Whatever I say I am likely to take blame for something I have not done or said or even thought or intimated. I am very disappointed with MN that they can allow me to be bullied and targetted this way.

Before I get picked up by the spelling police - typo - targeted.

When Jabed says he's logging off, it means he going to post a minimum of three more posts

Yes you are correct Is that three posts? Can we end this now?

I mean I would like to come back here and find no more nasty comments added about me

But you are going away, so it won't matter to you, will it?

On the contrary OSN it will matter a great deal to me. It is not fair (and I wonder if it is against those terms and conditions under personal attacks) for posters to continue to draw me into their posts when I am not able to defend myself.

None of this latter focus on me is relevant. Maybe it would be best if this thread were either put to rest unless they are returning to the original topic - which, in case anyone needs reminding is a general question about levels of qualification amongst teachers in independent schools.

I am now complaining - is there anyone from MN out there who can deal with this? If not , will someone please tell me how I can stop the personal attacks I am being subjected to here? Thanks.

I'm not I see much in the way of personal attacks really. But if you feel that some posts have contravened the talk guidelines, click on report.

For me, I think you have made some daft generalisations about state schools, state school teachers and state school students in particular.

I think good teaching is good teaching. I have to teach very bright students in my challenging school. In that way, my job is no different to yours in terms of "imparting knowledge" as one poster I think referred to it. I also teach some very low ability students, and some very, very difficult ones. It's a fab job and I love it. And I would never work in an independent school. Horses for courses.

You've made some claims and been asked - not by me, in fact- to back them up. Sorry you see that as an actionable attack.

I am offended on my and my daughters' behalf by the nonsense you spout about state schools. Swings and roundabouts.

I don't think in a thread about an objective issue people need to be questioned about their personal circumstances. It's not very good form, is it?

We found our answer above, many pages up - the Sutton Trust had looked into ths and found a massively better set of teachers and set up in private schools.

However many parents find what they need in the state system.

The figures for how children do in both systems speak for themselves and those women clever enough to pick careers which enable them to pay school fees get the chance to bestow those benefits on their children and others don't.

It's like a 'generate a Xenia post' that!

You are funny Xenia. Well, it's your money. I'd love your money Xenia but if I had it then not one penny of it would I ever wish to spend on private education.

Remind us what university you went to again, Xenia - you being so much cleverer than the rest of us. Or is it only in teachers that cleverness is measured in Oxbridge terms?

DS's rather eminent and highly qualified Music teacher has written the following comment on DS's end of year report.

"He has a flare for music."

Now DS is a musical boy, so I was naturally concerned that he has a distress signal that he keeps for the subject :)

Should I ask for the term's fees to be repaid? It must be worth a small discount at the very least.

See, even the most highly qualified teachers can make mistakes.

I think there is a bigger difference between state and independent appearing here. Its a matter of class and manners not just qualifications. Just like the different schools they teach in. An eye opener.

Actually, the quality of the music teaching and the standards the boys attain is one of the big upsides of the school. The state school teachers on the thread will argue that the intake makes a difference, and it does, of course, because the fact is that it must be easier to teach music when everyone in the class is learning at least one instrument. But the teaching is at a whole different level and the teachers are just so very good at engaging and stretching them.

From the outside looking in, it seems as though the state sector's pretty well just given up teaching music. Or is that unfair?

Ah well, we could go into class and manners too, although I think lots of state schools are good. Obviously there can be no doubt that on the whole one of the ways to keep children within your class or even move class is through education in the UK.

Fights between the two sectors are a bit pointless as most women earn very little and could not afford to pay school fees in a month of Sundays so there is little point in going on about the private benefits (unless it is to encourage them to ensure their daughters become surgeons and actuaries etc so they have the lives which go with that).

We could also talk about music teaching which is an important issue for our family. 3 of the children won music scholarships and I want a certain type of music at school which is so very much absent in our local state schools there was even a television programme about it.

That video does illustrate the gulf between state and private schools.

Have been following this with interest. Seems 'manners' rather than academic qualifications mark out the teacher in the indie school from his state school detractors - on this thread at least. Would much rather have my DC taught by Jabed than by those attacking him and accusing him of lying seemly only on the grounds of his expressing unpopular opinions.

@Xenia music provision is patchy across bother sectors, actually. There are some independent schools with fabulous provision, some which are poor. Similarly for state schools. And in many areas, peri teachers teach in both sectors.