How much shouting you seem acceptable in the classroom?

[BerryCheesecake]

Don't want to out myself so will try and keep details to a minimum.

There is a member of staff at the school I work at who shouts a lot at her class. I know there were chunterings on the playground when the children first started as many of them ( they are 8) were not used to such shouting etc. There are also comments made such as "X is really annoying me today" or "A is always silly, he doesn't know how to be sensible" etc in front of the children. She definitely has the reputation as the 'scary' teacher (she doesn't deny this) but after witnessing it myself I was really shocked. The children just accept it now which is rather :(. We are two form entry and unoffically we have heard children are only put in her class if they can 'handle' the shouting .

I did consider going to the head but they are both on the leadership team and are very good friends. Getting on the wrong side of her would be a nightmare, i wouldnt even dare disagree with her. I like her as a person and we get on well but knowing what goes on in class is a tricky situation. Is it acceptable for children to be shouted at like this? I personally feel its not but my class are tiny and I don't shout (unless in an extreme circumstance). I know She thinks I am too soft but my class are happy and well behaved despite the fact I don't shout at them. I don't think she understands this and says I am too nice to them.

I don't want to upset anyone or cause a problem but my primary concern is the children and some of the little ones heading her way next year will not be able to handle daily shouting. I think it's just been brushed user the carpet. All staff know what goes on in her room and no-one does anything about it so maybe I am over reacting?

Am a bit wary of posting this as I don't know if I've given too much away. If people feel its inappropriate or at all identifiable I will ask MN to remove it.

Thanks for reading if you've got this far.

I was surprised to discover that other parents in previous years had moved their dcs because of her. I was quite cross when it first happened and rather disbelieving as I naively thought if I complained the issue would be addressed. I did complain and the head suggested an action plan to help ds but he never implemented it. I haven't followed up as there is no point. Ds knows he is moving schools and is happy to be doing so and with that knowledge is coping better with his teacher's behaviour this term.

Really, really surprised they have not dealt with teacher

Eh, I had a teacher in my private Secondary who could not teach to save his life. An entire cohort almost failed AS-level Chemistry because he had decided to leave out a significant chunk of the syllabus, under the impression that it was not going to be in the exam. It was.

It took a good four years to get rid of him.

He was fired from his next school, however, in under a term.

gettinghappy

"You unfortunately you feel that shouting is a positive strategy"

Really. If you could point out where I have said this I would be grateful, that is you reading and twisting my posts.
All I have pointed out is where shouting is sometimes needed and will prevent injury to a child.

"You are a professional and I refer you back to my prevoius post where I asked if you discuss shouting as a positive strategy/intervention with Inspectors or at your annual review."

You asked that of captain barnacle, But as I rarely shout at a class and never when one on one with a child it would never come up.

"still had no need to shout other than the occasional one-off to stop a young person doing something dangerous"

so you have shouted in the same way and for the same reasons that I have given in examples, you really are being disengenuous.

My ds used to rate his teachers on the basis of how 'shouty' they were. Interestingly this was completely unrelated to how much he liked them, and he was also fully aware that sometimes the 'shoutiness' was required (he's had some fairly rowdy classes in the past).

The most scary and unpleasant teacher I've ever had was very quietly spoken. As someone has already said here it's not the volume that really matters, but the content.

Berry's colleague does sound as if a classroom is not the best place for her.

If all his 29 friends spend as much time in the classroom nattering and giggling as ds does, then I can't see how any teacher could make her loving and respectful language heard without raising her voice (and no, I do not condone ds' behaviour).

The problem with the teacher in the OP seems not to be volume as much as the general negativity.