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To ask DH for divorce

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NewBeginnings2025 · 28/12/2024 03:19

Some background: I've been with DH since 15 years old, we had our first child at 18, and 3 children by the age of 22. We married in 2017 and purchased our first home in 2019. DH has not always been the best in terms of a wandering eye and there have been moments of dishonesty throughout our relationship on his part.

Around 3 years ago, the wandering eye arguments came to a head. He couldn't understand how it made me feel when I was out with him and he would literally break his neck to check other women out - I do get MOST if not ALL men and women can look and appreciate beauty but not to the extent where it disrespects your OH. I totally felt disrespected and it knocked my self-esteem massively. He would also make highly inappropriate comments to other women when in their company, and mine, whether it was in the gym or at a friends house. He would spend 3-4 hours, 6-7 days a week in the gym and friendships he made with mostly females which he kept secret from me. When I asked about why he was so long, he would always tell me I'm controlling and time him, or tell him he can't look at other women when we are out. He began distancing himself from me. Truth was, I felt really lonely and unwanted.

Eventually 3 years ago, we had yet another dispute and he told me he was going to move into his Mums house 2 minutes around the corner. He said he wanted to meet other people and have "fun". After around 1 year of odd date nights and limited contact but still being intimate without sleeping in the same bed at all, I found out he was having an emotional affair. She called him when in my presence and I made him answer, I recognised the name on his phone to someone he had on his Instagram, he brushed her off previously as "just someone he knew from the gym". Long story short, he denied everything but I found proof, I found all the deleted messages, flirting and exchange of personal numbers. I told him I was leaving him and he asked to talk and to come home to work things through. I agreed.

DH was home a year before yet more messages where found where he was PM'ing women from the gym again calling them "baby girl" and offering to meet them to show them how to work the machines etc. I was so angry, I told him to go and he did without a fight. That was 15 months ago and he is still "gone". We also tried marriage counselling for 7 months without success - his idea - but felt our Counsellor was always "teaming" with me and "against" him. He was never willing to work at her recommendation and felt it was a chore to attend. It stopped in June 2024, again his decision.

I recently stopped being intimate with him around 2-3 months ago after I found out he was regularly meeting up with the women he had an emotional affair with. They were meeting 2-4 times per week and a further away branch of the gym we attend (all 3 of us attend the same gym!). He denied again anything was going on. Since then I saw him coming out of a class with her, walking through the gym with my 15 year old DS in tow, tagging along behind them.

I've been through an absolute whirlwind of emotions, hurt, sleepless nights, anger, gut wrenching feelings, feeling lost and so much more. I was completely and utterly in love with him and besotted to the point I allowed myself to be so disrespected that I completely lost sight of myself. I think it's time I brought all of this to an end and tell him I want a divorce.

I'm petrified, I wouldn't even know where to begin...

He earns probably 4-5X more than I do. Neither of us have any savings, we are in the middle of an extension that we have put everything into - he is a builder and doing most of the work. He pays the mortgage, food shopping and half the other household bills. I pay the other half of the household bills.

I know I can stay in our home (joint mortgage) until our youngest turns 18 but I'm so scared that he will use money as a form of power so I've considered getting a second job which I'm in the process of searching for.

Divorced or experienced ladies, where do I begin? I need some useful advice and suppose I just want reassurance and some happy endings... I'm 35 years old and have not been alone since 15 years old when I met him... I'm finding this so difficult to deal with. I've learned to get to sleep without him since he has been gone over 2 years of the last 3. I think divorce is the best next step. My parents agree a divorce is probably the right thing given they have been the ones pulling me out of dark places but have said not to rush into anything. How do I even approach the subject of divorce with him. The last conversation we had about separation, he threatened to sell the house which I know he can't but I'm mentally preparing myself for verbal abuse and malice from him... he has also told me if I began dating anyone else, I would never see him again and would not get a penny from him which is obviously a massive issue as we have 3 children (16, 15 and 12) and a roof/bills to pay.

Sorry for the long post, I just really need to reach out to someone who has been through all or any of this. Thank you so much in advance.

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Fraaances · 28/12/2024 03:22

You’ve forgiven far more than most of us would have already. It is probably resentment keeping you together by now anyway. Liberate this scumbag and see how much happier you are. He will never change and you will have the opportunity to find someone mature enough to love you properly.

R053 · 28/12/2024 03:31

You’re doing the right thing. He sounds like he will never be faithful and acts like someone in a sweet shop, entitled to help himself to whatever he wants.

I felt that the fear before taking the leap was worse than the adjustment period after it. Once I made the decision it became a lot easier and I set about the more practical matters.

I would also perhaps get a consultation with a lawyer to discuss what you are likely to get in a financial settlement. They are used to partners making threats and will give you the facts. They are used worst thing you can do during a separation is to believe anything your DH tells you, like not getting a penny. He is legally obliged to be a responsible parent until they are 18.

NewBeginnings2025 · 28/12/2024 03:39

Fraaances · 28/12/2024 03:22

You’ve forgiven far more than most of us would have already. It is probably resentment keeping you together by now anyway. Liberate this scumbag and see how much happier you are. He will never change and you will have the opportunity to find someone mature enough to love you properly.

I think you are probably right, we do resent each other and are never happy in each others company. It still breaks my heart though and is a bitter pill to swallow. I just wished he had been honest about it all, it's the lies and false hopes that hurt the most.

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NewBeginnings2025 · 28/12/2024 03:41

R053 · 28/12/2024 03:31

You’re doing the right thing. He sounds like he will never be faithful and acts like someone in a sweet shop, entitled to help himself to whatever he wants.

I felt that the fear before taking the leap was worse than the adjustment period after it. Once I made the decision it became a lot easier and I set about the more practical matters.

I would also perhaps get a consultation with a lawyer to discuss what you are likely to get in a financial settlement. They are used to partners making threats and will give you the facts. They are used worst thing you can do during a separation is to believe anything your DH tells you, like not getting a penny. He is legally obliged to be a responsible parent until they are 18.

I'm part of my works Union which I get a free hour of legal advice so I will try getting something scheduled when I return to work on Monday.

Thank you for your advice and support at this hour! I thought I'd be the only one awake! Busy mind, can't sleep

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Snorlaxo · 28/12/2024 03:55

I know I can stay in our home (joint mortgage) until our youngest turns 18 but I'm so scared that he will use money as a form of power so I've considered getting a second job which I'm in the process of searching for.

You can only stay in your home if you can buy him out (give your ex his share of the equity.) If you can’t buy him out then the house needs to be sold and you both buy new homes. Getting more jobs is an excellent idea - especially if you want to buy a property or buy out ex and take on current mortgage.

Having read many stories like yours, he could use housing and money to abuse you. Self employment is an easy (legal) way to cheat CMS and pay minimal child support and if he’s not living in the house then he will probably stop paying the mortgage and completing the renovations. Completing the renovations will hopefully mean selling the house for a good price so if you can, it might be worth waiting until he’s completed those so you have more cash when the house sells. Aside from the asset split, he only has to pay you child maintenance. Use an online CM calculator to see what kind of figure you may get but if he’s paid cash in hand or self employed, brace yourself for very little.

You are morally doing the right thing. He’s not faithful and doesn’t care that you or your kids know. Shocking that he is blatant in front of your son too.

Fraaances · 28/12/2024 03:59

I suspect in time you are going to be embarrassed by him. In about five minutes he’s going to be sleazy old man who embarrasses himself by saying the wrong thing to the wrong women - if he isn’t already. You don’t want your kids growing up thinking this is okay… That women, most especially their mother, can be treated with such disrespect. He’s a grub darling.

drspouse · 28/12/2024 04:03

How does he spend hours a day at the gym with 3 children? It sounds like your life will be better in other ways if you get rid of him.

NewBeginnings2025 · 28/12/2024 04:07

drspouse · 28/12/2024 04:03

How does he spend hours a day at the gym with 3 children? It sounds like your life will be better in other ways if you get rid of him.

He has done so for the last 7-8 years, maybe more. It's totally isolating and made me feel lonely in our marriage but he always told me I was "controlling" if I brought it up. He says he doesn't want to live "under the thumb" which I'm sure anyone would agree, a man that arrives home from work, showers and goes to the gym until 9-9:30pm is not controlled or under the thumb. He would always say "you want me to give it all up, you want me here with you all the time" but honestly I never did. I'd literally be begging him for one or two days a week where we could spend quality time in the evening.

Our youngest DS (12) won't stay over with him because he says "what's the point, he will be at the gym all night" it's sad really...

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NewBeginnings2025 · 28/12/2024 04:10

Snorlaxo · 28/12/2024 03:55

I know I can stay in our home (joint mortgage) until our youngest turns 18 but I'm so scared that he will use money as a form of power so I've considered getting a second job which I'm in the process of searching for.

You can only stay in your home if you can buy him out (give your ex his share of the equity.) If you can’t buy him out then the house needs to be sold and you both buy new homes. Getting more jobs is an excellent idea - especially if you want to buy a property or buy out ex and take on current mortgage.

Having read many stories like yours, he could use housing and money to abuse you. Self employment is an easy (legal) way to cheat CMS and pay minimal child support and if he’s not living in the house then he will probably stop paying the mortgage and completing the renovations. Completing the renovations will hopefully mean selling the house for a good price so if you can, it might be worth waiting until he’s completed those so you have more cash when the house sells. Aside from the asset split, he only has to pay you child maintenance. Use an online CM calculator to see what kind of figure you may get but if he’s paid cash in hand or self employed, brace yourself for very little.

You are morally doing the right thing. He’s not faithful and doesn’t care that you or your kids know. Shocking that he is blatant in front of your son too.

This is worrying, I've been told that a Court may consider the financial situation and would unlikely make children homeless and could put an order on the house for when the youngest is out of full time education. I'll definitely have to get some legal advice on this.

I'd rather it didn't turn sour but have a feeling it will on his part.

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XChrome · 28/12/2024 04:26

NewBeginnings2025 · 28/12/2024 04:07

He has done so for the last 7-8 years, maybe more. It's totally isolating and made me feel lonely in our marriage but he always told me I was "controlling" if I brought it up. He says he doesn't want to live "under the thumb" which I'm sure anyone would agree, a man that arrives home from work, showers and goes to the gym until 9-9:30pm is not controlled or under the thumb. He would always say "you want me to give it all up, you want me here with you all the time" but honestly I never did. I'd literally be begging him for one or two days a week where we could spend quality time in the evening.

Our youngest DS (12) won't stay over with him because he says "what's the point, he will be at the gym all night" it's sad really...

He's been gaslighting you. Of course this is not normal or healthy behaviour, and I tend to doubt he is really at the gym all those times. He is a serial cheater and I can pretty much guarantee you he has had sex with many women, not "emotional" affairs. He lies, habitually and constantly by the sound of it. Serial cheaters never change and this will never get better. I'm sorry, but that is the reality. Best to face it and get out of this hell now. It's hard, but you can do it.

PyongyangKipperbang · 28/12/2024 04:39

YABU for one reason.....you dont ASK for a divorce. You TELL him you are divorcing him.

You are giving him way too much power here.

You have a voice. You have choices. You have freedom.

Use them.

And if you have to start again? Well you will do it. You are stronger than you think! You really will do it.

ETA apologies, I know that this isnt AIBU.

NewBeginnings2025 · 28/12/2024 04:43

PyongyangKipperbang · 28/12/2024 04:39

YABU for one reason.....you dont ASK for a divorce. You TELL him you are divorcing him.

You are giving him way too much power here.

You have a voice. You have choices. You have freedom.

Use them.

And if you have to start again? Well you will do it. You are stronger than you think! You really will do it.

ETA apologies, I know that this isnt AIBU.

Edited

You're right, I do give too much power because I feel like over the years he has convinced me into thinking I'm controlling which allowed him to get away with what he has been doing.

I know a face to face conversation won't go well. I'm considering sending a text message today at some point. Is that bad?

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PyongyangKipperbang · 28/12/2024 04:44

NewBeginnings2025 · 28/12/2024 04:10

This is worrying, I've been told that a Court may consider the financial situation and would unlikely make children homeless and could put an order on the house for when the youngest is out of full time education. I'll definitely have to get some legal advice on this.

I'd rather it didn't turn sour but have a feeling it will on his part.

No one here can give you legal advice, you need help with this. A solicitor who can see the ins and outs of your financial and housing situation and advise accordingly.

Get as much paperwork together as you can (financially especially, including his income if you can get it) and get proper legal advice. Do you have family and friends that you can rely on?

PyongyangKipperbang · 28/12/2024 04:46

NewBeginnings2025 · 28/12/2024 04:43

You're right, I do give too much power because I feel like over the years he has convinced me into thinking I'm controlling which allowed him to get away with what he has been doing.

I know a face to face conversation won't go well. I'm considering sending a text message today at some point. Is that bad?

Think about it this way, would he think about how his behaviour would affect you?

No, didnt think so.

Send the text if thats how you want to do it. Fuck him.

Well dont but you know what I mean! You CAN do this!

R053 · 28/12/2024 05:02

NewBeginnings2025 · 28/12/2024 04:43

You're right, I do give too much power because I feel like over the years he has convinced me into thinking I'm controlling which allowed him to get away with what he has been doing.

I know a face to face conversation won't go well. I'm considering sending a text message today at some point. Is that bad?

I wouldn’t send the message to him or have any conversation today. Make the divorce announcement intention to yourself or perhaps tell your parents, if you need to make it real. But don’t write to your DH until you have seen the legal support service first. They may ask you to send copies of documents so they can make an assessment of joint assets, so they can give you specific advice.

If you tell your DH you are going to divorce him sooner, he may make it difficult to access the necessary documents and start making threats. You don’t need that. Once you are ready to roll with legal, you tell him. His threats will lack power because you are already two steps ahead.

PyongyangKipperbang · 28/12/2024 05:06

R053 · 28/12/2024 05:02

I wouldn’t send the message to him or have any conversation today. Make the divorce announcement intention to yourself or perhaps tell your parents, if you need to make it real. But don’t write to your DH until you have seen the legal support service first. They may ask you to send copies of documents so they can make an assessment of joint assets, so they can give you specific advice.

If you tell your DH you are going to divorce him sooner, he may make it difficult to access the necessary documents and start making threats. You don’t need that. Once you are ready to roll with legal, you tell him. His threats will lack power because you are already two steps ahead.

Very good points and very wise.

OnlyMabelInTheBuilding · 28/12/2024 05:14

Keep it to yourself for now, get details of all your joint finances, and see a lawyer.

PP is correct that mesher orders to stay in the home until youngest child is 18 are very rare now. It’s more likely the house would be ordered to be sold, and proceeds split. You may get a bigger proportion of the proceeds if you’ve had to work less to cover childcare etc.

Flipslop · 28/12/2024 05:15

Snorlaxo · 28/12/2024 03:55

I know I can stay in our home (joint mortgage) until our youngest turns 18 but I'm so scared that he will use money as a form of power so I've considered getting a second job which I'm in the process of searching for.

You can only stay in your home if you can buy him out (give your ex his share of the equity.) If you can’t buy him out then the house needs to be sold and you both buy new homes. Getting more jobs is an excellent idea - especially if you want to buy a property or buy out ex and take on current mortgage.

Having read many stories like yours, he could use housing and money to abuse you. Self employment is an easy (legal) way to cheat CMS and pay minimal child support and if he’s not living in the house then he will probably stop paying the mortgage and completing the renovations. Completing the renovations will hopefully mean selling the house for a good price so if you can, it might be worth waiting until he’s completed those so you have more cash when the house sells. Aside from the asset split, he only has to pay you child maintenance. Use an online CM calculator to see what kind of figure you may get but if he’s paid cash in hand or self employed, brace yourself for very little.

You are morally doing the right thing. He’s not faithful and doesn’t care that you or your kids know. Shocking that he is blatant in front of your son too.

Where did you get your facts from that she cousins stay in the family home without buying him out?
not saying you’re wrong, just checking

Elektra1 · 28/12/2024 05:22

Do you and your husband have enough money for him to be able to buy somewhere else for himself to live without selling your house? If not, then you won't be able to stay in the house till your youngest is 18. Both parties need to be housed after divorce and unless there's enough money to do that without selling the house, the house must be sold.

He sounds like a disrespectful selfish prick and you would be better off without him, but the reality is that divorce makes people financially poorer.

Snorlaxo · 28/12/2024 07:06

Mesher orders are unusual these days. OP has a strong legal case for her h to pay the mortgage until the 15 year old completes their GCSEs (6 or 18 months time depending on whether they are Year 10 or 11) but courts would agree that he has a right to own a home too. OP clearly suspects that he will use money to get his revenge so he is highly unlikely to be happy to wait for his house equity until the youngest is 18.
The other problem with Mesher Orders is if she is struggling to afford a family home now, she’s delaying the same problem to a future date. When youngest is 18 she will need to pay her ex say 50% of the future equity and pay the mortgage in the mean time. Most 18 year olds aren’t able to move out completely at 18. Housing is expensive and uni students don’t always have 12 month contracts so need a place to return to in the holidays. Considering the dad’s current behaviour, it’s unlikely that the older kids will want to live with dad.

millymollymoomoo · 28/12/2024 07:09

There’s absolutely no automatic right to stay in the house until youngest is 18

this will depend on many factors, but courts have to consider a clean break if at all possible, hence usually house has to be sold and split.

you need to understand what assets there are available to split as well as both your earnings as this will help you assess possibilities

Elektra1 · 28/12/2024 07:12

@Snorlaxo you can't possibly say the OP has "a strong legal case" for the husband to pay the mortgage without knowing the detail of their joint finances. The bottom line is: if he can afford to keep paying the mortgage while also housing himself, then that might be the outcome. But if he can't, it certainly won't be.

CheeseTime · 28/12/2024 07:16

He thinks he has all the power and you confirm that to him by letting him do whatever he wants with no consequences.
Interesting that he doesn’t want you to divorce him. Why is that when he doesn’t want you? Because you look after the children and give them stability and allow him to work on the family house whilst still doing what we he wants.
You only have a few years until the DC are all adults and you are not useful to him any more. Get out now. You are still young. Get better paid work if you can and accept things will be tight financially. This will happen and it’s better to do it now than when you’re 40+.

Father of 3 spending all his spare time at the gym and calling women baby girl 😫. You deserve better.

NewBeginnings2025 · 28/12/2024 16:01

CheeseTime · 28/12/2024 07:16

He thinks he has all the power and you confirm that to him by letting him do whatever he wants with no consequences.
Interesting that he doesn’t want you to divorce him. Why is that when he doesn’t want you? Because you look after the children and give them stability and allow him to work on the family house whilst still doing what we he wants.
You only have a few years until the DC are all adults and you are not useful to him any more. Get out now. You are still young. Get better paid work if you can and accept things will be tight financially. This will happen and it’s better to do it now than when you’re 40+.

Father of 3 spending all his spare time at the gym and calling women baby girl 😫. You deserve better.

I told him this morning I want a divorce. He came over to our marital home, after he done his 11:20 gym class of course. That took priority!

It did not go well as I expected. I asked if we could talk about a financial agreement. The only agreement he was interested in is that I walk away with around 1/3 of the equity in the home as he pays the mortgage and it's his money. Otherwise he will get solicitors involved and would prefer to see us both walk away with nothing than see the house equity split evenly...

He even suggested that if I took 1/3, the kids would stay with him in the marital home and I could go buy a 1 bed somewhere out of the area as the 1/3 would not get me far where we live. I am the primary carer for our children, he was never a hands on Father, doesn't do anything with them, never done a night feed, never attended any parents evenings/concerts or took them to a single medical appointment. I know the kids would be horrified at the thought of this!

No sign of regret or guilt given the request of divorce, he simply played the victims again...

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millymollymoomoo · 28/12/2024 16:06

Well
Ultimately it’s not up to him to decide. But it does point to the fact you’re unlikely to get to remain in the house if you can’t buy him out and that he’s not going to make this easy for you

are you working ft?
do you know what assets there are?
what does he earn? Unless very high you’re unlikely to get spousal suppprt ( especially based on your age and that of your children) so you’re looking at split of assets plus cms plus ft income (plus any uc you may be entitled to )

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