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Divorce/separation

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Ex wife about to have another baby and living in my husbands house

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ChloeBed · 29/06/2022 00:02

Hi All
I am looking for some thoughts on this matter, abd I appreciate this may divide opinions, but I am genuinely keen to learn from men and women on their thoughts.

my husbands ex wife is pregnant (this is a very surprise situation), my husband and his EW have 3 amazing children together, none of which are to be honest thrilled about a new baby in their lives, which I get at their ages (they are teenagers).
the legal agreement that my husband has with his ex is that he continues to pay the mortgage on their house until their youngest reaches 18, he also obviously pays CM. We are really involved in the 3 Childrens lives, see them regularly, have daily contact, they are great children etc.. you get the picture. So life was pretty settled, until this bombshell was announced.
on legal advice their agreement is that whilst my husband owns the house and pays the mortgage nobody else can live in the property. This was advised because the mortgage company would not permit another adult living there without more legal costs, deeds if trusts etc. My understanding is that everyone thought this was fair as my husband was paying the mortgage. EW has always been allowed partners to stay, which they have and nobody has says anything - I say this as this was not done as a controlling thing, purely practical from a legal perspective. Obviously, my husbands ex wife is now considering, understandably, moving her new partner in, and we just have a rollercoaster of emotions of what is best to do, first for the children but also financially- because let’s face it his has an impact on the children! My husband has mixed feelings about this. He is happy for her to move on, but feels he shouldn’t be paying an entire mortgage for another guys child and her new guy? When he thinks he gets his head around this, he worries that the house is not big enough anyway, and definitely at least one of his children will have to share a room (2 already do) and none of them are thrilled by this (they are all teenagers, doing exams etc ). However, if he sticks to the legal agreement and ‘allows’ her new partner to move in, this undermines the legal agreement and leaves him vulnerable legally.
Wortg noting my husband will be in for capital gains tax when they do sell, as he has not lived at the property for several years!
EW response is that if my husband ‘forces the sale of the property’ (which I feel is a little unfair as he has totally done all he could, and more and force is not the right word, as this was an agreement she was happy with for several years) then she will have to move far away with all the children to afford a new place.
worth noting that my husband does not contribute towards my house which he lives in, as he cannot afford to whilst paying the mortgage on his former home. We are fine with this, as it feels the right thing to do even though legally he was advised he did not have to when they separated. But we get by, it felt right, we don’t have much left over every month (if anything!) and so it feels if I am honest a little unfair that we are subsidising a new baby and her partner that are not part of this ‘blended family unit’- new partner appears to have no property. I’m trying to judge, but I also understand he has a few (we believe 3 or 4?) children from previous relationship(s) that he sees only ad-hoc.
long post- apologies but I want to give a balanced perspective.
what are peoples views, should my husband stick with the legal advice triggering rather than forcing the sale of the property (If they admit to moving in together?) based on the fact this protects his position, and the house is not suitable for their needs? Or is there another solution that could protect financial interests but let them live in the property (although we know the children are not keen on this anyway!).
Tge property is my husbands, although he has agreed to 50% going to his ex on sale (they were not actually married so he was advised he did not have to offer 50%, but felt that he wanted to as he wanted her to be ultimately rehoused somewhere where his children would still be able to live or visit even as adults - as who can afford a house or to move out at 18 anyway!

I know I shouldn’t feel like this, as everyone has a right to their life, but I feel so sorry for my husband as he’s a good man, he’s always wanted to do the right thing by everyone. We have made huge sacrifices in our relationship too, including not having a family of our own for financial reasons to allow his children and their Mum to live conformably… and all was so well…it feels incredibly selfish of his ex to have a baby (and I know I sound selfish saying that too!) but it has affected so many lives, mainly the children, who I adore and I really am worried seeing them like this and just unsure of what their new family life will be like.
Finally to add, we are happy to offer the children a home with us. But are not going down this route as that feels a little like emotional blackmail too, although I feel this is what she is doing by suggesting she may move away. My husband and I have both agreed that this not the time to enter this into the discussion, as it will just sound like a counter threat (even though it is not!) and we are keen to resolve amicably and practically. Thanks for reading!

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howtomoveforwards · 29/06/2022 14:10

Nobody asked her to open her legs (sorry if that sounds terribly crass but she is old enough to know how it works and is taking the mick)

That's way beyond crass. Utterly unnecessary.

wellhelloitsme · 29/06/2022 14:16

@Mariposista

The way you phrased that is the way people who hate women talk.

Demeaning, nasty and humiliating.

Not just crass.

GetThatHelmetOn · 29/06/2022 14:17

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What an absolute bitchy comment to make, shame on you. Crass, unnecessary and above all stupid.

TiddleyWink · 29/06/2022 15:30

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Vile post. Sounds like something a woman hating man would type. Utterly shameful, you should be embarrassed.

LunaAndHerMoonDragons · 30/06/2022 02:29

He could offer for her and new partner to buy him out. Otherwise yes he shouldn't have to pay the mortgage on the family home when his EW is starting a new family in the marital home. He either needs to be bought out by EW and her DP or they sell the house and split the equity. Depending on how far she's talking about moving he might be able to apply to court to block her from moving the DC. He would have to be prepared to house them the majority of the time if she still decided to go.

Regina70 · 30/06/2022 11:28

Time to head to your solicitor and review scenarios with a proper expert. you could sell your home move into the old house and buy ex share, you can sell the old house and move into your house, or sell both houses and move into a new property. The kids are older, they are allowed an opinion and could move with you visiting their mums when they want. Priority given to their exams because sharing a home with a new born can be challenging for teenagers. Personally I would look at selling the house, I think you are wrong in your assumption that the sale will attract capital gains tax. Even without the spousal exemption, you will not generally have to pay capital gains tax on the marital home in divorce – assuming one of the two parties still lives there as their main home, under what's known as Principal Private Residence Relief (PPRR). Then decide what you want to do with your property, sell and buy jointly, or improve/extend ... If the kids move in with you the maintenance agreement will need re-evaluating. My advice start living life for you and your family not just convenience to ex wife. Do not have regrets.

ChloeBed · 01/07/2022 15:56

So no, the former partner does not get 50%, this was not their deal although my husband will be giving her at least 50% as part of longer term support.
i hear you… it’s hard when you want to do the right thing for the children too. Although they are just generally really unhappy with the situation I think, but overall like living with their Mum I think.

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ChloeBed · 01/07/2022 15:58

They not in a position to buy him out of take mortgage on.

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ChloeBed · 01/07/2022 15:59

That’s an interesting option…

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ChloeBed · 01/07/2022 16:04

I think that’s his concern, he wants his children to be okay in the future… but also so many variations as to what could happen. For example the new baby will still be his children’s half brother/sister, if NP ‘disappears’ I can see my husband feeling obliged to keep the house the until new baby is older too… it’s complex where children are involved, even when they are not yours but related to your children!

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whynotwhatknot · 01/07/2022 16:17

Hes being a mug op tbh he doesnt have to keep her inthe house til the baby is older thats ridiculous

the woman is with another man who should be providing for the baby not her ex

dreamingofsun · 01/07/2022 16:29

So you compromise your future financial situation, as does he, so that his ex and her new baby have somewhere to live. Wow. And long term you are arguably compromising his children's financial situation as they wont get as much support from you/him. Lucky ex and poor you.

Diverseopinions · 01/07/2022 18:13

It sounds like yourself and your partner are both supremely objective and fair: I was thinking the exact same thing - that the partner may not stay around, if he sees his older kids on an ad hoc basis. How inspiring that he and you are thinking far-sightedly about the long term wellbeing of all the children. I bet you have very rewarding relationships with an attitude such as you both have - and it must be great to have that quality as the bond between you both.

myuterusistryingtokillme · 01/07/2022 22:22

ChloeBed · 01/07/2022 16:04

I think that’s his concern, he wants his children to be okay in the future… but also so many variations as to what could happen. For example the new baby will still be his children’s half brother/sister, if NP ‘disappears’ I can see my husband feeling obliged to keep the house the until new baby is older too… it’s complex where children are involved, even when they are not yours but related to your children!

That would be very noble of him, but would also make him a total mug. He has zero responsibility for that child, regardless of the relationship to his kids.

Frankly you'd also be a total mug paying for everything in your lives so he could be a noble hero for his ex.....

ChloeBed · 01/07/2022 23:07

They were not married, but we’re together for 17 years…he has full PR for the children they have together though.

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ChloeBed · 01/07/2022 23:09

I think we do try to be, even if first reactions mean we are not to each other. We try really hard as there are fantastic children involved! But the fact I have posted here this time, clearly indicates this is getting tougher!

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ChloeBed · 01/07/2022 23:10

I hear you, but my husband still has 3 children who live with their mum, and who will be half siblings to new baby… so it feels right that they are kept together, but just not at any cost!!

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ChloeBed · 01/07/2022 23:12

That is an interesting option… which we have not considered

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ChloeBed · 01/07/2022 23:14

This is good advice! My husband was advised, and it is set out in their legal agreement that he would pay capital gains from the period he moved out of the family home to the time it is sold… as he has not resided there.

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ChloeBed · 01/07/2022 23:15

Interesting options - thank you!

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ChloeBed · 01/07/2022 23:19

I agree with you entirely, she is an adult, and totally entitled to her life. But I do fundamentally believe when you have children, they come first? And asking the children to potentially relocate away from their Dad and wider family network, schools, friends… for another man, who may not be around so long (let’s hope he is!) is just a really uncomfortable scenario…
also, as an adult it is important to accept the consequences of your actions too…

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ElegantlyTouched · 01/07/2022 23:49

Would you two move into his house with his kids if it came to it?

If her new partner can't move in (fair enough) she could move in with him and the dc could stay in their home. Not without its problems but could be one solution.

kateandme · 02/07/2022 05:37

Something obviously needs to change op.this is effecting you now in a negative way.hence the posting here.
Don't sit on this.it will cause bitterness and misery and u and th to fall out.yiy need to be a team bug both be heard and work out what s best for YOUR team,including the kids.
That's not yo say ex needs shafting but she can't expect this level of care anymore.its simply not sustainable.

PatchworkElmer · 02/07/2022 06:18

I know someone who is on the other side of the fence to this- moved DP in and had baby with him, whilst exP still pays the mortgage. Their baby is now at primary school, the oldest child is 18 in the next few years- and they are incredulous that their mortgage won’t be paid any more. I think they’re lucky to have had no rent for years, if I’m honest.

They are currently saying they can’t afford to find anywhere else…

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