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Somebody find me a good definition of Realism in Theatre in the 19th century..

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ThatBeetroot · 21/05/2007 20:44

a nice clear and simple one that explains it in nice simple terms for kids to understand

Please

and then find me on for Romanticism

TIA

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ThatBeetroot · 21/05/2007 20:51

oh go on

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ThatBeetroot · 21/05/2007 20:53

surely it is not too much to ask

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Marina · 21/05/2007 20:56

19th century in theatre...blimey beety, you name me three important Realist playwrights from that era then! de Musset is your man for Romanticism, surely - huge casts, revisiting themes of Jacobean tragedy, use of the tableau, heightened imagery in dialogue...? or does it have to be a Briton?
Am wondering if The Ticket of Leave Man might do you for realism...

ThatBeetroot · 21/05/2007 20:57

I don't really need to play wirghts more the definition of hte genre - teaching a lesson on how Shakespeare was performed in the 18th/19th century - am thinking Melodrama/Romanticism /and realism

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ahundredtimes · 21/05/2007 20:58

Sure Naturalism won't do? Ibsen, Zola et al?

Sobernow · 21/05/2007 20:59

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Marina · 21/05/2007 21:00

So you mean all those weirdy reworkings of Hamlet, The Winter's Tale etc by Kean and co, with happy endings.
Kean vs Irving?

Marina · 21/05/2007 21:01

More C20 though isn't he sobernow
Agree he, Chekhov, Ibsen were the first proponents of naturalism/realism in theatre

ThatBeetroot · 21/05/2007 21:01

need realism not naturalism - I think naturalism was a wee bit later although stanislavski did use both terms

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ThatBeetroot · 21/05/2007 21:03

Marina - yes for romaticism - just a good definition ain simple terms

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Marina · 21/05/2007 21:04

How about:
No monologues/asides
No acknowledgment of audience
Essence is likeness to life
(Cribbed from Wikipedia)

ahundredtimes · 21/05/2007 21:05

Think the whole point of Naturalism, was that such a thing hadn't existed before no? ie. not any nineteenth century realists. That's why the preface to Therese Racquin so revolutionary. The Russians did Social Realism so very much later on.
Are you possibly looking for the impossible?

ahundredtimes · 21/05/2007 21:06

Romanticism - Goethe and Schiller stuff? Sturmundrang and all that? Shall I go and look up a definition?

Blu · 21/05/2007 21:06

I thought realism was a development of naturalism...and that Ibsen counts. In fact i thought Ibsen was pretty much the first realist writer? I have just been looking at the first scene of The Master Builder - and it does pretty well.

I think directing style and design are as much part of realism as the writing.

Marina · 21/05/2007 21:07

I'd agree I think ahundredtimes
As far as performing Shakespeare was concerned at any rate. Black velvet and tights were still going strong in the 30s in London (Gielgud, John Laurie).

ThatBeetroot · 21/05/2007 21:08

stan was around in late 19th century and his ideas were coming into the forefront of theatre

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Moomin · 21/05/2007 21:08

this any good?

Sobernow · 21/05/2007 21:10

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ahundredtimes · 21/05/2007 21:11

Blu, I agree but in terms of Terms (with capitals) I think things like the description of the stage set in Dolls House, considered a major treatise on Naturalism (note the capital!).
Realists did come after - Russia, Germany eventually Brecht and his lot.

zizou · 21/05/2007 21:12

I just found this

19th century stuff

my first link, did it work?

ThatBeetroot · 21/05/2007 21:13

BUT didn't the performance of Shakespeare change during the century's - melodramatic, proclaiming, the into the Romanticism where the sets were huge and as historically accurate as possible and the acting took second place and then into a more realistic style (although not the realism that we see today?

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pinballwizard · 21/05/2007 21:13

wouldn't george bernard shaw be suitable?

chekhov

ThatBeetroot · 21/05/2007 21:15

zizou - yes very hlepful

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ahundredtimes · 21/05/2007 21:17

Okay - Romanticism 'movement which acknowledged strong emotions as source of aesthetic experience.'

Sturm und drang - storm and stress.

Goethe and Schiller! (Or were they too early?) Have done my best. Shall I go and find someone else?

ThatBeetroot · 21/05/2007 21:18

is all helpful thank kyou

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