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1 year old died in nursery setting. 6 arrested

45 replies

Goingforplatinum · 05/01/2023 21:28

www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-641783

Just awful. The manual you would expect from a childcare setting is your child to be safe. Those poor parents.

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Goingforplatinum · 05/01/2023 21:29

Minimum, not manual

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RiceRiceBaby16 · 05/01/2023 21:50

How devastating. How does something like this even happen

Goingforplatinum · 05/01/2023 21:52

No idea. You feel guilty enough having to put your child into childcare, then you read stories like this.

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BrutusMcDogface · 05/01/2023 21:54

That poor, poor family. It’s hard leaving your baby and you think you can trust the childcare provider you chose 😢 💔

iRun2eatCake · 05/01/2023 21:59

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Goingforplatinum · 05/01/2023 22:01

I think they have updated the article.
www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-64178388.amp

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Yfory · 05/01/2023 22:09

Particularly shocking given that the banner outside the building is proclaiming "ofsted outstanding" - you would think with that sort of rating your child would be safe......... apparently not.

BornBlonde · 05/01/2023 22:11

How awful. The Ofsted report reads as really concerning. If only they had learned and kept children safe

faffer44 · 05/01/2023 22:18

Absolutely devastating and so scary. You would never recover from this as a parent.

I'm confused about the arrests. Is it negligence as opposed to intentionally harming the poor baby?

Goingforplatinum · 05/01/2023 22:22

faffer44 · 05/01/2023 22:18

Absolutely devastating and so scary. You would never recover from this as a parent.

I'm confused about the arrests. Is it negligence as opposed to intentionally harming the poor baby?

It appears more along the lines of not meeting safety standards or safeguarding and as a result of this a child has died leaving them liable to a corporate manslaughter charge.

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Mybonnielad · 05/01/2023 22:26

It's not reading as if there was any intent to harm the baby. More like a lack of staff training in baby safety. I feel desperately sorry for the parents, but those under investigation must be feeling horrendous right now.

ChocolatemilkBertie · 05/01/2023 22:26

So scary and so sad.

When I worked at the nursery, what I told all my staff and emphasised over and over that on top of anything else our job is to keep them alive. Safety obviously comes into that. Nothing trumps safety. Whenever a staff member had a bad day and felt that children weren’t listening or a baby wouldn’t stop crying or their activity was a disaster or they were behind with their paperwork, none of that mattered when they had kept those children safe. And always prioritise any safeguarding / welfare /accident incident paperwork over journals every time.

That poor poor baby, the fact that it was 6 people…..it reads like a trail of disaster and standards not kept. Sleeping babies and meal times always made me nervous, I was like a helicopter style care giver, the time I had to save a choking baby (they were fine thankfully it dislodged after a couple of goes on the back) I almost had a nervous break down in the office after it scared the crap out of me. They’re so small, dependable and trusting……I felt so protective over all the children I looked after and still feel that way over my class now I’m a teacher.

My thoughts go to the family. How horrific. Accidents can and will Halle. Of course, and I am interested to find out the cause and if it was down to gross negligence or misconduct I hope the people responsible are put away.

MammaWeasel · 05/01/2023 22:30

I agree with @Mybonnielad

ChocolatemilkBertie · 05/01/2023 22:32

Goingforplatinum · 05/01/2023 22:22

It appears more along the lines of not meeting safety standards or safeguarding and as a result of this a child has died leaving them liable to a corporate manslaughter charge.

I was thinking this…..it reads as two possible events - either very much a nursery fault in terms of their practice and safety standards (for example was this baby asleep and not checked and problem not discovered fast enough, fed inappropriate food or something they’re allergic to, physical accident) and 6 separate people were in the area, room whatever and didn’t notice.

Or a safeguarding again from several possible options - child being mistreated and other staff aware / missed the signs / turned a blind eye. Welfare of child outside of nursery a raised concern but paper work and procedure not follows resulting in tragedy.

Whatever the cause…..makes me shudder in horror

winterchills · 05/01/2023 22:38

Absolutely horrendous. The poor family.

ODFOx · 05/01/2023 22:49

The charge of corporate manslaughter suggests either insufficient staff/child ratio or adults without appropriate training or appropriate supervision.
My heart goes out to the parents.

procrastinator8 · 05/01/2023 22:53

Absolutely tragic
one article I read suggested the toddler was in cardiac arrest when medics arrived. How does this even happen?

WetBandits · 05/01/2023 22:57

procrastinator8 · 05/01/2023 22:53

Absolutely tragic
one article I read suggested the toddler was in cardiac arrest when medics arrived. How does this even happen?

Very quickly, sadly 😞 the baby might have choked, for example. We don’t know the circumstances.

Bunce1 · 05/01/2023 22:58

Reading the report I think the sleeping checks were inadequate and that’s possibly where it went wrong. If the ratios were not right it would be in the report/news as that’s huge and entails disclosed and fact checked.

No manager/new manager is also a risk as who takes the lead who is in charge of safeguarding? Spoiler. Safeguarding is everyone’s responsibility.

Poor little baby and tragic loss for the family. So sad and so potentially unavoidable.

BarnacleNora · 05/01/2023 22:59

What's awful as well is the list of very current awards the nursery had recently received! Apprenticeship provider 2022, best nursery in West Midlands etc....all signifiers to prospective parents that this is a nursery that knows it's stuff and is somewhere you can trust. Just awful.

Lostinalibrary · 05/01/2023 23:03

BarnacleNora · 05/01/2023 22:59

What's awful as well is the list of very current awards the nursery had recently received! Apprenticeship provider 2022, best nursery in West Midlands etc....all signifiers to prospective parents that this is a nursery that knows it's stuff and is somewhere you can trust. Just awful.

What is shows is agencies such as Ofsted etc are not fit for purpose. Settings coast on previous reputations; they already know what they are going to do when they walk through the door. If you tick the right boxes you’ve got a good/outstanding. There are some truly dire outstanding settings out there.

BarnacleNora · 05/01/2023 23:06

@Lostinalibrary completely agree. I once taught in a school that absolutely should not have received the outstanding rating it did. But the headteacher knew people.....I always tell people looking at schools to look at the ofsted reports but not to base their entire decisions on them, the whole system needs a massive overhaul.

Kanaloa · 05/01/2023 23:10

Yfory · 05/01/2023 22:09

Particularly shocking given that the banner outside the building is proclaiming "ofsted outstanding" - you would think with that sort of rating your child would be safe......... apparently not.

It would really, really shock you how non reflective ofsted ratings really are. The worst nursery I ever ever worked in was ofsted outstanding. I refused to allow my own children to attend. However, on ofsted day staff would be forced to stay for ages beforehand to complete and sort paperwork, it would be flooded with staff from other premises (big chain) so the ratio was massively skewed with loads of staff, new toys would appear the day before… the actual nursery and standard of daily care was extremely poor. I ended up leaving for another job out of frustration.

Kanaloa · 05/01/2023 23:10

But this is an awful tragedy. I hope we hear more about how this came to be. Thoughts with the baby’s family, who must be in the darkest of places right now.

AllyCatTown · 06/01/2023 08:15

It so sad for the parents and does make you wonder what’s going on in nurseries when parents not around. The people at my child’s nursery are friendly and nice and I do get a good feeling from the place but you never know.