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rmummyofone · 21/10/2022 12:28

Has anyone reported it and gotten far?

I've left now, he divorced me out of the shame of not wanting to change his ways.

I'm completely heartbroken & don't understand why I miss someone so toxic for me. It's his birthday today I suppose I'm remember the last 5 I had spent with him.

We met when we were 18/20. He was every green flag and more, things were great. He'd support my dreams and goals etc too. After we got married he changed. I'm Muslim, he wanted me to cover my face and when I'd say no he'd argue with me so much and so aggressively (not physically) that I eventually gave in and just stopped. I fell pregnant soon into the marriage, he cheated on me while pregnant (of course with girls online who we're definitely not covered) he manipulated me using religion to make me wear it, I have some screenshots of texts with these arguments.

After that he became coercive with sex. I didn't recognise this at the time, he'd use religion to pressure me into it, saying he loves me so much he just wants more babies with me so no need for contraception. I pushed and did go on one which sadly didn't agree with me well at all so stopped. His online cheating continued and I grew more and more empty. I could only have a job if he approved of it, (like teaching at the mosque part time) financially I was dependent on him so couldn't afford to learn to drive either. When my friend would come round he'd always sit with us. When his friends would come over I'd have to leave the house and go to a neighbour.

I have evidence of him texting me religious scripture to manipulate me into feeling guilty for rejecting sex, our relationship didn't make me feel emotionally connected or safe which I now recognise is why I had such a low sex drive, he would make me feel like I'm punishing him. I have a video where he's pestering me about having another baby and he's saying "you always have an excuse" "you keep denying me" "you delay it every month"

I have screenshots of texts where he's making me feel bad if I say I don't want to cover by saying "I don't want to be here anymore" "what face will I have to show outside" "I'm so ashamed" I never promised I'd wear it I just said I'd try. I have texts where he's saying "this is about that stupid job isnt it"

I have friends who noticed me distance. He was good with my family he always put an act on around them, showing the guy I fell for so I loved being around him around my family. The only thing my mum noticed is I used to hardly call or text her. But in person would be fine so she wouldn't question it.

I mentioned I went for counselling last summer as I truly believed my low sex drive was my fault. Counsellor noticed some controlling behaviour and tried to intervene with finances to which he didn't take heed. Neither could I have support with the contraception issue.

I posted on here last year about feeling the pressure to have a baby, I don't know if that counts as evidence? I did give in and fell pregnant in Jan this year and lost the baby in March, after March he changed. He started going out a lot lot more while I'd be home with the baby, who's now 2.5. He'd be on the phone til 3am, whenever I'd go downstairs he'd pretend to be asleep, I found certain contacts on his phone escorts etc. At that point he started giving me silent treatment anytime I'd approach a counsellor for help or my family. Even his own family tried to support me he took no heed.

In July this year he coerced me into sex with him one night distracting me from something I found on his phone I couldn't say no as I knew it would cause a huge argument

Neighbours noticed me not leaving the house much and losing weight rapidly.

He would threaten me saying he has inappropriate videos of me on his phone and he will "out" me to my uncle and dad. Disgracing me. I don't think I ate for 3 weeks at all, I couldn't look after the house as well as usual to which he took pics and humiliated me for it sending to my uncle that we live in a pinstigh when in reality I was suffering so much mentally.

August 4th I left but still wasn't aware this was abusive behaviour.. I have reported this but I feel afraid I don't have enough proof.

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oopsfellover · 21/10/2022 12:39

Hope you are ok OP. Obviously to an outsider he sounds vile. You deserve better and are well rid of him. It’s different when you’re the one with the feelings and attachments, and today sounds like a tough one. Hope it helps to write it all down. Someone will have good advice about the reporting side of it I’m
sure.

rmummyofone · 21/10/2022 12:46

@oopsfellover thank you so much for taking the time out to respond to me. It is a tough one today.. as it's his birthday. I've been thinking of the last 5 with him and it's been a very emotional morning. I miss him dearly but he hasn't even tried to make it work. It's like all he wanted was for me to be submissive and it would've been fine.

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Pinkylilac · 22/10/2022 13:20

I am sorry no one has been able to advise you yet about reporting. I don’t have experience in that myself, but I unfortunately have plenty of experience being on the receiving end of coercive control, so I would like to at least show some support and hope my thoughts are helpful to you.

On the one hand you know you have suffered coercive control and have taken brave steps to protect yourself, yet the effects of this trauma are still controlling your biological system, so you still have fog and confusion in your brain. On YouTube you can learn from Irene Lyon about how to heal your nervous system = healing from that traumatised state, which she calls being dysregulated.

Marshall Burtcher, also on YT, is very good at explaining what it is within you which has caused you to choose a narcissistic partner, and the 9 videos on how to heal co-dependency are very helpful as a step-by-step approach.

You need to grasp this, or you will become a victim again. Narc’s can sniff you out the way sharks smell a single drop of blood in the ocean. You need to fix that for lifelong protection.

Right now you need at least one coach/partner, someone who continually helps you keep in the forefront of your mind that this trauma is a real thing to heal from, and stick at it until you are no longer feeling anything for your ex, or you’ll be sliding back into being abused before you know it.

You will know when you are healing, because you will not feel anything regarding your ex except disgust and disdain, and you will certainly not miss him. Doing so means you are still trauma-bonded. It is not love, I’m afraid.

I do understand it is a powerful feeling, and God knows I’ve been there, but in reality it is self-deception. All this comes about because of a lack of self-worth. Understanding about co-dependency and also Inner Child work really helps, but it takes therapy, not just reading about it.

A very good book to understand how these crazy-making people tick, is “Disentangling from Emotionally Immature People” by Lindsay C. Gibson.
It’s very hard to diagnose a problem person as a narc/Cluster-B personality, etc. but with this book, and her “Adult Children of Emotionally Immature Parents”, it doesn’t matter. You just get to see them for who they are and this knowledge becomes excellent protection.

I wish you all the best for your healing journey, you have the strength within!

rmummyofone · 22/10/2022 14:59

@Pinkylilac subscribed to both. Thank you so much, I'm aware of a few things you mentioned and have realised I am an internaliser I will blame myself for a lot. I don't want to harm myself but I feel so low right now, I wouldn't care if I died? I don't understand why I feel this way.

I feel urges to reach out to him and take my statements back and luckily I have family who are supporting me through this and stopping me from contact from him.

I miss the version of him I loved once, I fell for. Sometimes I sit and wonder if he thinks of me the way I think of him, if he feels bad at all for how he treated me. That shouldn't matter right now, my
Focus should be on me but I can't help but wonder when I lay alone at night.

Part of me feels proud I feel that way too, it means my love for him was very real. I hope one day I find better once I'm healed. Unfortunately the community I come from marrying again after a divorce and a child isn't common at all. I'm only 23, this is what brings me great anxiety and dispair.

I'd recommend Dr Ramani too as she's helped me recognise the pattern my ex followed was narcissistic behaviour. Funny how at the time you start to wonder if you're the narc and not them

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Pinkylilac · 22/10/2022 16:49

I'm going to respond to your message later, I just have to make some food right now. Hang on in there and please whatever you do, do not contact him! You have made a good choice to reach out to people who might be able to help and understand you. You are not alone in your experience. I was also divorced at 23 btw.

rmummyofone · 22/10/2022 20:44

@Pinkylilac thank you so much
That means so means so much to me

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Pinkylilac · 22/10/2022 23:24

Good evening! I’ve been thinking of you whilst cooking, wondering what kind of “non-coincidence” it was that made me suddenly decide to look on Mumsnet today.

You see, you can’t imagine just how much I know what you are talking about. It is almost as if I had travelled back in time and were re-visiting my own 23-year-old self, as there are many similarities in our stories, and I have cried whilst remembering the young woman I was and wishing to help you in the way I would have needed to be helped back then, but I felt such shame then, such a failure, that I hid the abuse and did not dare speak with anyone.

I know about the lonely nights thinking of the abuser, whose monstrous behaviour, lack of compassion and humanity seem to dissolve away in the dark of night as you suddenly only remember the "loving" moments and feel your heart wrenching with the pain of longing.

I know the deep despondency when the precious gift of life and youth becomes like faded, joyless drudgery, dragging out into countless empty hours.

And the hope beyond hope that there might still be some way to reach across the abyss and to be able to communicate again with that loving, caring man you once knew, who brought you so much happiness. So you desperately cling on to the hope of somehow connecting with him again.

Well, what experience has taught me is that all this pain stems from a single source: your lack of self-love.

But I heard exactly that again and again over the years (I repeated the abusive relationships several times over many years) so I am now wondering how to help you hear the real truth of those words when I was not able to recognise it myself for so long?

My story is that I have lived a life of continuous sorrow until my suffering became so unbearable and I finally began to look within. I don’t mean with the head, I mean with heartfelt compassion and understanding for my Self.

And I realised that those “little” things like wanting to please others, wanting to be loved, wanting to be special in someone’s eyes, are the big things, because they are not based upon healthy feelings, they are based upon not feeling worthy, not even worthy enough to base my life about being me!

Of course we are entitled to want to be loved, and to not be lonely in life. But I have discovered that with the right therapist, you can open up to another dimension of understanding about yourself, a deeper awareness, and the realisation that you really do look to others for your sense of self, for approval, for value.

This can only ever lead to pain and sadness, and unfortunately the tendency to become the victim of narcissists.

I have gone through exactly that tortuous desperate longing for the nice version of both my 1st and 2nd husband for countless years, yet with the right therapy the fog has lifted and I can see things clearly: there never was a nice version of my husband, that was an act. Nice people just do not do such things, not ever.

It is not that we are not intelligent enough to see, it is that we do not want to see it, because a part of us believes we NEED to be loved to survive.

I have discovered that as soon as you begin healing your Inner Child, you stop feeling lonely, you stop feeling sad and empty at the way the narcissist treated you. You just see them as a damaged person who you need to avoid out of self-love, the way you guide your child to avoid an alcoholic on the street, whilst having human compassion for them.

And self-love stops seeming like selfishness and self-centredness, and starts feeling like a wonderful, warm, buoyant and happy feeling within, no matter the external circumstances.

As a mother, this will also be the greatest gift that you can give to your child, as children learn by our example.

Regarding your anxiety about being a young divorced mother in your community, please don’t worry. Members of your community are already supporting your divorce, so they are caring deeply for your well being above social ideals (and all communities have the same ones at the end of the day).

I remember feeling as if my world had ended when I became a young divorcee, as if I would never love again, but you will be happy again. Just please remember my example and heal your lack of self-love first. You are so worth it!
Then one day, just as some amazing coincidence lead me to check into Mumsnet today, so there will be the right person for you in the future. Someone who loves you for YOU. But for him to be able to do that, you need to deeply discover who you really are, who you want to be, who you want your child to see and learn from.

NoMoreBS · 22/10/2022 23:44

Hi OP, yes I reported my ex and he was arrested for coercive control. My story was remarkably like yours, from the religious manipulation to the control and use of escorts. I gave them texts and voice recordings as evidence. The criminal investigation is still ongoing (almost a year now!) and I don't have much hope of it leading to much. But it gives me strength to know I stood up for myself and removed him from my life. Please enrol in the Freedom Programme, it will really help you. I too have conflicting feelings of guilt and still miss him at times, but it does get better with time.

rmummyofone · 23/10/2022 01:02

@Pinkylilac I have tears

Genuinely will never want to remove this post because of what you've written. I hope whoever comes across the post benefits from your beautiful words.

You don't even know me and you took the time out to write that message so beautifully you are an Angel sent by god to me to deliver that because He knew I needed that message.

I pay for private counselling atm, we do a lot of work on inner child healing and yes I've recognised this stems from a huge lack of self worth, and genuine struggles to express anger. I have a lot of empathy for people so I lack boundaries a lot.

I have no intention of getting in a relationship again at least not for a while. I have enrolled into the freedom course and really look forward to it. Want to hold circles with my solicitor to raise awareness in the Muslim community this type of abuse exists and isn't right..

Though I miss the good parts of my ex, I'm recognising it was all a game to keep me lured in. I wanted a relationship while he wanted to play one. He was the white knight as my uncle said, at least tried to play it. I miss parts of him dearly, we can't unlove someone in days or weeks or maybe ever? But we can set boundaries as to how much we tolerate from them.

I often sit and remind myself, would I let my sister friend or daughter be treated this way? What would I be telling them?

I truly truly truly appreciate you supporting me, pure coincidence you popped up and I'm so beyond glad you did and I appreciate you so much. I will be re reading that message over and over.

I hope you're much happier in life now, I truly truly pray god blessss you and protects your pure heart. I'm genuinely in tears

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rmummyofone · 23/10/2022 01:05

@NoMoreBS I have enrolled and I'm looking forward to it too!
Wow I didn't think in the Muslim community this abuse exists, assuming yours was the same?
I'm glad your abuser was arrested. I feel afraid mine won't go so far even. I feel afraid they may just question him and leave him with a warning.

I do believe my heart is pure, I don't wanna do this to spite at him, I just believe I deserve some form of justice for the shell of a person he made me into.

I'm proud of you for taking all the steps. Did you have an ABE interview too?

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Avalovelace · 23/10/2022 01:36

I reported my (now) ex to the police and they arrested him for coercive control and rape (as sex was also coercive). Police can put you in touch with agencies who can help you make sense of everything. It's an incredibly slow process, however; he's still not yet been charged, the case has been bouncing to and from the CPS for ages. It's been two and a half years.

WhyGoHome · 23/10/2022 08:14

Hi @rmummyofone yes Muslim community. He would pick and choose the scriptures that benefited his 'narrative'. His actions were truly dispicable and while I knew it was wrong, the cycle of abuse and reverting back to kind behaviour really confused me and I convinced myself he could change and consistently be kind. Now I realise that part was just an act. Yes I had an ABE interview, it was tough going through that as I was just coming out of the abuse. They wanted to interview my children too but I refused, I just couldnt put them through it and I worried how they'd feel about it as they got older. I am working on boundaries and self worth like you, because we have children I feel we never be rid of them entirely. We are now in court re child arrangements but that's worth a whole other thread in itself 🙂. Stay strong OP, you sound lovely and you deserve better.

rmummyofone · 23/10/2022 10:55

@Avalovelace I'm proud of you for reporting

Did you have evidence etc. 2.5 years is a long time, after they arrested him was he released on bail?

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rmummyofone · 23/10/2022 10:57

@WhyGoHome I'm so sorry for what you have been through and I'm so proud of you for reporting it.
Did they arrest him? Were any charges made?

I have a 2.5 year old and have been wondering how would this affect me should my child care plan be rejected by my ex and we go to court?

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Avalovelace · 23/10/2022 12:27

Well, it's the evidence (or lack of) that can make these cases tricky and longwinded. I have given loads of statements as have people I know. I had recordings of conversations mainly because he was so good at gaslighting and denying having said things, I needed to know that I wasn't going mad. He was arrested then released on police bail and has never returned to the house. I also obtained a 12 month court order saying he couldn't try and contact me. I installed a video doorbell just in case. I now have a job, friends, a car and most importantly my freedom. I also had some therapy and did the Freedom programme. I wish you all the best.

rmummyofone · 23/10/2022 12:56

@Avalovelace thank you so much.
Once I'm given the ok to approach those involved I will request statements too.

Last year my counsellor picked up on the controlling
Behaviours around having another baby / not allowing contraception etc.

One counsellor I told when he made revenge porn threats against me. Texts of asking him where my
Jewellery was as he's hidden it in his drawer under his clothes. Stolen my keys etc.

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Pinkylilac · 23/10/2022 15:05

You are so welcome, my dear! I am so happy to hear that my words may be of help to you.

I gladly took that time, and I sincerely believe you are a very special young woman and that I really was guided to send you that message. (I certainly don’t usually go around doing things like this btw!) I just felt an intense urge and I know from experience to act upon it.

I also believe in the kindness of random strangers because I’ve spent most of my life in foreign countries and have never had a supportive family. I have so often been helped in a moment of deep distress by a kind stranger, there are many good people in the world!

I am glad to see you now have some other ladies reaching out to you with the information you wished for. IMHO you are all creating the future, even though at the moment it seems as if little is being achieved. But as you know, evil can only triumph if the good do nothing, so imagine yourselves as voices who are a whisper at the moment, but eventually so many voices will join you, and you will be heard and change history.

I had hoped you would think of spreading your knowledge in your community. I could imagine that your experience in teaching at the Mosque might be useful if you were to give talks to other young mothers about the signs of coercive control, but perhaps also to parents of young ladies approaching marriageable age. We can only beat this through sharing information and knowledge.

I must repeat again though, that the longing you feel for “the good parts” of your ex is all just in your own mind. I can say from experience how many negative observations you will have suppressed or dismissed in order to uphold an image of who you wanted him to be, whilst all the red flags were there from day 1. (Have a good think about that!)

I cannot emphasise enough how imperative it is for you to realise there is a fantasy in your head which you projected upon him. In reality a person with such narcissistic traits is an empty shell, and “the good parts” were a combination of your fantasy projections and his acting.

I am afraid you might need a more tough talking therapist, at least that was my cure. You will then find that you “unlove” that person in an instant, once your mind grasps what really took place.

It all has to do with our own tendency to be so needy. I never experienced a loving mother, I grew up literally like Cinderella, so I fell hook, line and sinker for narcissists pretending to be princes.

It doesn’t help that we are set up as little girls to believe in the fairy tale romance, but has it ever occurred to you: no one brings up little boys to be our princes?! Normal, healthy men just want a life partner, whilst narcissists use and abuse our unrealistic expectations.

There’s a lot to learn, but you are a very intelligent woman and I know you will make it.

Btw, I think your Muslim community is of great value and something you could build upon to help other women escape. You see, you were able to get out of that terrible marriage comparatively quickly (women usually need many years and between 4-7 attempts until they are able to escape a narcissistic abuser) and I think it was because your ex felt “seen”. Narcissists and abusers are actually very paranoid, weak and deeply insecure people, so your strong family and community support was of benefit to you.

It gives me great happiness to think that I might be helping you avoid a fate like my own. Thank you for your good wishes for me. I am sadly not yet free of husband No.2, for even though I now understand what has happened to me, he ruined me financially so I cannot leave yet, but I am working on it. But at least I now finally know what I am doing!

rmummyofone · 23/10/2022 15:23

@Pinkylilac you've made a huge difference
Thank you

I feel very very special

And yes, it's strange how you know but as soon as my ex started to feel I saw him for his true self he kept saying I'm "outing" him to family and counsellors when needed support.

He promised marriage counselling and stood me up the day before, telling the counsellor he wants to initiate divorce. The lack of accountability is creepy.

The mask came right off and the narc rage was so very real. Almost sadistic.

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Pinkylilac · 23/10/2022 23:25

You did very well to make your ex feel so seen and uncomfortable. It would be helpful to make notes on how you did it so you can explain to other women. Most (me included) fall foul of going to marriage counselling with a narc, because they take control, charm the therapist, and you end up being seen as the problem and the whole thing is completely futile. Or if someone does get on their trail, they fly into a rage, blame the other person for whatever, and end the counselling.

You must have really hit the nail on the head for your ex to back out and voluntarily choose divorce, though I also think your supportive family and community also put him off. Narcs like to isolate their victims.

You are right, it is bloody creepy and does boil down to pure sadism. It is hard to conceive, but narc's take a perverse pleasure in putting you down and seeing you feeling bad. It starts with very small things in your every day life.

I try not to think too much of how much it creeps me out as I must avoid feeling fear and just concentrate on my undercover preparations. I am also trusting that I will be guided and helped once I am ready.

Mydogatemypurse · 23/10/2022 23:29

Im so sorry for what you went thru. I went thru similar
I think you need to focus your energy on counselling and dv support as im sorry to say but the police arent interested. Ive reported regularly for 8 plus years and they put it down to a toxic breakup. See your gp get support and counselling, it does help x

rmummyofone · 24/10/2022 00:15

@Pinkylilac it was his parents who involved the counsellor mostly to calm him down as he was in RAGE mode, like you said the mask slipped. At the time I didn't recognise he was acting out because he simply couldn't have everyone point the blame at him and him have to accept his wrongs.

I left him on the condition we do marriage counselling. He stood me up the day before the counselling session & posted divorce he didn't want to "air out his dirty laundry" in front of the counsellor.

Like you said I look back on some moments, the smirking while you cry, the complete rage, silent treatment, the threats of leaving you if you don't keep quiet about something. It's disgusting

I pray for your strength and I pray your love for yourself grows so strong you walk away from your abuser. Have you thought about a refuge maybe?

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rmummyofone · 24/10/2022 00:18

@Mydogatemypurse thank you for responding I'm sorry it was that way for you. I do trust the police and maybe that's naive of me, but they've been supportive too. I gathered as much evidence as possible and have witnesses too, for me the control wasn't just in how I dress my ex controlled sex almost all the time it was manipulative.
I have texts of this too. I trust the police to do their job well, coercive control is a crime in the UK since 2015. Though I doubt my case will ever reach court, I do hope he is at least arrested snd reprimanded so he thinks twice before trying it with another again.

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coodawoodashooda · 24/10/2022 00:32

Sorry op but I have learned that the police are not interested.good luck though.

rmummyofone · 24/10/2022 00:34

@coodawoodashooda really disheartening to hear 💔
Are you based in the UK too? Did you report too?

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Sunshine275 · 24/10/2022 10:54

I have also experienced coercive and controlling behaviour I reported it but choose not to take it further in criminal court out of fear, however a year later in family court however my evidence similar to yours was enough to proof my relationship had been coercive and controlling.

My advice read though all those texts over and over because there will be gas lighting and games you still don’t even realise and the more evidence you have the better. Any counselling or doctors reports will have, any domestic abuse specialist help you’ve had and if you work I had information down in a one to one with my manager, anyone you’ve told or anywhere it can be logged the better. Midwife’s, health visitors etc.

Best of luck to you. I wish I’d had your strength to take it further with the police but now I feel it’s too late.

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