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From First to Final Draft - The New Creative Writing Thread.

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CharCharGabor · 26/02/2009 21:01

Everybody's welcome, if you want to share ideas, techniques, publishing info or just chat about writing. Come on in!

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WingedVictory · 21/01/2010 22:21

Hi, HalfMumHalfBiscuit, I like the loose-leaf style, as I can tear pages out, and insert other pages.

Hope the ILs "help"!

artifarti · 22/01/2010 07:37

A vomity week here but first draft of story complete.

Bernie - I went on a writing course (12 weeks) a couple of years ago. More than anything it helped me to get into the habit of writing. Mine was a beginners one so feedback was 'gentle' rather than 'useful' IYSWIM. A more advanced one might be better for that. Is there a writer's group near you? Or I don't know what you are writing (novel, stories etc.) but you can also pay tutors to ctitique your work - rates are usually £40-60 per 3,000 words for short stories for example.

BernieBear · 22/01/2010 08:01

Thank you arti and halfmum for your replies. I found this, which is a well balanced article on writing courses.

The course I was looking I think is a beginners course but only runs for 9 weeks, but with another more advanced course running from September. Think I may try the 9 week course and see how I go.

Arti - my ultimate aim is to write "that" novel, but am writing short stories at the moment to try and learn the craft IYSWIM. Have been reading the Elephant in the Writing Room blog and there are lots of great tips on there. Have realised that most of what I have written are filled with massive mistakes i.e. long drawn out back stories!

Litchick · 22/01/2010 12:21

I've never been on a course.
I signed up for one once, and well...most of the students weren't really serious about their writing and it wasn't for me. I went twice.

I suppose I question how far you will get in a large group when writing is essentially a solitary profession.

That said, some folk do swear by them. I have a friend who teaches creative writing for the OU and says it's not a bad start at all.
Then of course there are the serious MAs at Bath Spa, East Anglia, Glamorgan. But these are for the very committed.
I've also heard good things about Arvon. These are residential courses over a weekend and some very good writers attend to lecture and mentor.

RosemaryBingle · 24/01/2010 20:54

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BernieBear · 25/01/2010 07:37

Thanks Rosemary - will look at the OU courses. The two courses are was looking at are full

ArcticFox · 25/01/2010 11:47

You could look at doing an online course with the Gotham Writers Institute (based in New York). I have taken the novels class a couple of times and found the critique process invaluable. However, it does rather depend on the commitment of your classmates, and of course, how good they are as both writers and critiquers.

Additionally, there is a very good book called "Thanks, but this isn't for us" which takes you through the mistakes new writers tend to make which gets their manuscripts binned.

WingedVictory · 28/01/2010 21:54

Wow. I'v just got hold go my university trunk, and it's so exciting, getting my hands on my old journals and writing notebooks! I've been re-reading something I've wanted to see again for a long time, and think I may have to spend some time tomorrow transcribing it.

tillyfernackerpants · 29/01/2010 06:48

Hi, do you mind if join in? Have been writing off and on for about 15 years but don't think anything I've written is good enough for publication! I do have a bit more time to spend on it now though so am hoping to improve.

Just reading the last few posts, I did a course a few years ago but like artifarti it was more 'gentle' comments. Plus most of the students weren't happy reading their work out loud and if you did, comments were restricted to 'yes, that was good'!

artifarti · 29/01/2010 13:57

Hi tilly. I think you might be a member of the RL Book Group I go to - but seeing as I don't know who you are or which meetings you've been to, I've no idea who you are! Nice to meet you virtually anyhow.

WingedVictory - that's funny, I could think of nothing worse than coming across any of my blatherings from school or university. I stopped keeping a journal many years ago - I find it really difficult to write about myself or my life, just not something I want to do at all (not because of any reasons of trauma or anything - I think I just bore myself )

WingedVictory · 29/01/2010 14:26

Oh, of course most of it is just dreadful and sooo serious, especially the journals (although it is interesting to remember things) but I am enjoying re-reading my Pushkin story, and am making notes of what to do with various passages. The advice "murder your darlings" keeps coming to mind. and another phrase, which I think is from Strunk & White: "if, upon re-reading your work, you find a passage which you think particularly fine, strike it out." Harsh, but often fair!

As it is, I am re-reading and "editing" my tax return instead, and there is not a lot of scope for striking out offending passages there! Corrections only, or Her Majesty's Arsey (HMRC) will come after me!

tillyfernackerpants · 29/01/2010 16:31

arti, yes I am a member of that group but actually haven't made a meeting yet at all . I'm studying as well so that takes up most of my free time.

WingedVictory · 31/01/2010 21:51

Wheee! Finished the story I was working on. Now have to lay it out on the floor for first edit, then on to horrible process of transcribing it onto computer. That's a radical edit itself, but should also let me know how many words I've got, as I haven't a clue.

artifarti · 01/02/2010 19:39

tilly - aaah, then it's not you with the Mslexia diary then!

WingedVictory - oooh, is this the story you were working on pre-Christmas or a newer one? Have you any plans for submission or competitions or anything (if you want to share, obviously) I am finishing my story too but I hate this bit - the excitement of the story taking shape and the writing is over and now it's just finickety little edits. Plus, not sure what I'm going to write next so I feel a bit bereft. But I'm going to a writing workshop on Saturday - bit nervous but hoping I will come out bursting with inspiration for something or other!

campocaro · 02/02/2010 09:34

Hi
Great thread!
I run courses and retreats for writers (in south of Spain) -I am keen to let people know about what we have to offer -but don't want to break advertising rules etc! Can anyone tell me the best way for reaching women who are in writers' groups etc?
Thanks

WingedVictory · 03/02/2010 21:51

artifarti, it was the one from before Christmas. I made some submission lists as I was just starting it, but will have to see what the word count is, before settling on a plan of action. Lots of publications are very specific about word-counts (as well as other things) and that is the Major Moan of editors - inappropriate submissions! Don't want to become known as someone who does that sort of thing! Also, many publications have an incredible long turnaround time for even a "no", so I will also try to keep time constraints in mind as well. This may sound as though I'm making difficulties to put off "an inevitable rejection", but the fantasy/speculative fiction genre is rather small and specific, so.... .

Good luck with your writing workshop! We're off the the ILs'!

bookends · 08/02/2010 20:25

Hello Litchick,

I wonder if you'd be able to give me some advice or suggestions.

As everyone else on this forum, I have been a lover of books, words and writing since I was a young girl. Being able to step into another world in seconds, made my childhood in the 70's a blur. (A godsend obviously).

Through the years from 20 - 40, I didn't have the time to write or the need to and suddenly the passion returned quite recently and I have amazed myself by writing a novel - 50,000 words in a very short space of time.

Basically snatched moments here and there and the odd late nighter, leaving me braindead the following day.

I haven't a clue if it's any good, but would value someone like yourself giving it a critical once over. I would rather know now whether its worth carrying on or not. Life is too short and if its not to be, it would be easy to carry on amusing myself by writing, without needing to see my work published.

Would you consider emailing me or vice versa.

Thank you.

bookends

Litchick · 10/02/2010 12:20

Bookends - I'll happily have a look. Give me your email and I will send my details.

Am on a horrific deadline at the mo so might not get to it straight away, but will defo give some feedback when I can.

bookends · 12/02/2010 23:23

Litchick:

You can contact me by clicking on 'Contact poster'.

I really appreciate you taking the time to give my work a quick look over and grateful for feedback, whenever.

Thanks

bookends

storyglory · 16/02/2010 13:50

Litchick:Are you able to discuss how you went about getting your first book published.I have written a first and second draft and am struggling with the final manuscript.I feel in my heart I have achieved something worth reading but just need that last little push to get it edited and sent away.I think perhaps I am putting off 'the end' result as I dont quite know the next step.Also assuming you have children,when and where do you write?Lovely thread by the wayx

Litchick · 16/02/2010 17:55

Bookends, apparently I don't have CAT - whatever that is. Is it okay to put email here, or is that internet suicide?

Litchick · 16/02/2010 18:06

storyglory - there was no magic at all in how I got published, and so it's a tale I like to recount to any writers because it dispells all those negative things that people like to say. Like you have to know someone in the biz, or you have to have contacts in the press.
Obviously this stuff helps but I know loads of authors who didn't have any connections, they just wrote a good book.

Basically, I wrote my first book and polished it but I really had no idea if it was any good. No-one except my DH had read it. So I bought the AYB and a book called From Pitch to Publication and decided to send it off to some agents. I figured they'd all reject it, but I might at least get some good feedback.

I drafted a synopsis and a covering letter and bought a lot of envelopes and stamps. I sent out a batch and got some rejections, but bugger me, if I didn't also get a couple of requests to meet. So I met them and chose the guy who I thought was the most in tune with me ie the least poncy and literary of the two.

Then he went into the market place and got me a publishing deal. Since then he's got me more deals including foreign rights, telly rights, large print rights, audio rights etc.

It has been a dream come true. And, as I say, there was no magic in it. To paraphrase Elizabeth Gilbert, people say getting published is as hard as finding a cheap apartment in NY and yet every day someone finds a cheap apartment in NY. Difficult, but not impossible.

storyglory · 17/02/2010 08:31

Thank you so much Litchick,little inspirational stories like that are just what I need!I just wrote the day away yesterday in between snacks and stories and bathtime with my son under and over the table.I have decided my deadline is Easter,this book has been in me for over two years and I just want to finish it for my own sanity more than anything else!I have always had this idea that I need absolute peace and quiet but if I waited for that in this house it would never happen.Thank you for your advice,keep it coming, it is so helpful,I love Elizabeth Gilbert too!

Laugs · 17/02/2010 09:25

Hi, can I join you?

I write for magazines but have always wanted to write a novel. I have had one in my head for about three years, that is now getting so complex I need to write it down or get rid of it!

I am really bad at actually sitting down and writing. I have endless fantasies about being 'a writer', but I'm not good at the reality. Through my work I've been used to writing to deadline, and without one I find it really hard to knuckle down. I'm scared of being crap. And I'm a bit lazy. (Oh, and also have a 3 year old and 10 week old keeping me occupied!)

I have a deadline this week, so probably won't write much. I intend to start properly from Monday (...and the procrastination begins!)

Does anyone do Morning Pages? (write 3 pages each morning before doing anything else). This is my plan to start with. Whether I can bare to drag myself out of bed before the baby wakes is another matter.

storyglory · 17/02/2010 11:59

Hi Laugs,

I did morning pages for a long time after I read The Artists Way.Now I dont have the time or like you the ability to drag myself out of bed before my children wake up!I do write a journal most days though.What do you write about for magazines?I would like to try a few articles but dont know if I have the confidence?There are some great 'writing' books/authors out there if anyone is interested?

Bird by Bird (Anne Lamott)
Maeve Binchy (and other writers)and
Elizabeth Berg does one too.

Those are my favourites.Does anyone else have any interesting books to read whilst we procrastinate!

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