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Can anyone help with a little grammar query please?

28 replies

youkiddingme · 10/07/2021 20:24

I was critting a piece for someone and one sentence feels ungrammatical to me but I can't think what the grammar rule I need to refer to is. I want to be able to clearly explain the problem. Can anyone tell me what is wrong with this?:

"They had a look of worry on their faces, but I knew they weren't."

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Lilypansy · 10/07/2021 20:29

The sentence is unfinished, it should be: but I knew they weren't worried.'
There are more fluent ways of expressing this, such as: ' Despite looking worried, I could see that their expressions were not genuine.'
Or: 'Despite their worried expressions, I was certain that they felt no anxiety.'

Viviennemary · 10/07/2021 20:29

Its just a bit clumsy. Even though they looked worried I knew they weren't. Or I knew they were fine.

Lilypansy · 10/07/2021 20:29

I'm sure someone more competent than I am will be along soon.

Clarkey86 · 10/07/2021 20:31

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nomorespaghetti · 10/07/2021 20:32

I agree it’s clumsy, doesn’t scan well. “The look of worry on their faces belied their confidence”

Fountaining · 10/07/2021 20:33

It might suit the character who is observing this, though — the meaning is clear, despite the stumble from ‘to have’ to ‘to be’, and the simplicity or naivety of the formulation might suit a child narrator.

Clarkey86 · 10/07/2021 20:33

Wait I’ve re-considered Grin Sorry worried isn’t a verb ignore me!

I think it’s actually to do with tense. It should still be “wasn’t”.

I think it needs to be past tense “worried” to make sense “wasn’t worried” is fine but “wasnt worry” isn’t.

MistakenHoliday · 10/07/2021 20:33

Is it to do with the lack of a main verb to compliment the auxiliary ‘to have’? Because there’s no main verb there’s no perfect tense.

Lilypansy · 10/07/2021 20:34

“The look of worry on their faces belied their confidence”
That sounds good.

HmmmmmmInteresting · 10/07/2021 20:34

Is it not 'looks of worry on their faces' or 'a look of worry on their faces'?

MistakenHoliday · 10/07/2021 20:34

I’d just write ‘clunky’ and let them figure out why Smile

HmmmmmmInteresting · 10/07/2021 20:36

Sorry, last one should say ''a look of worry on their FACE'

Zerogravity · 10/07/2021 20:37

The trouble is you are using elipsis (missing out part of the sentence and relying on the reader to understand from your context) BUT you are using two different verb structures. Had a look = past simple of have. Weren't = past simple of the verb to be. Because you have changed the verb you are using, it isn't easy for the reader to instinctively understand and sounds clumsy.

Anyonebut · 10/07/2021 20:39

To omit “worried” from the last part of the sentence, the word should have already appeared in the first part of the sentence in the same grammatical form (I.e. worried, not worry).

Zerogravity · 10/07/2021 20:39

*ellipsis

Fountaining · 10/07/2021 20:42

@Zerogravity

The trouble is you are using elipsis (missing out part of the sentence and relying on the reader to understand from your context) BUT you are using two different verb structures. Had a look = past simple of have. Weren't = past simple of the verb to be. Because you have changed the verb you are using, it isn't easy for the reader to instinctively understand and sounds clumsy.
This is right, but given that the OP is giving feedback on a piece of creative writing, the ungrammatical nature of the sentence may actually work for the kind of thing a particular narrator might say. Yes
Hagatron · 10/07/2021 20:45

Their faces looked worried, but i knew they weren’t.

Zerogravity · 10/07/2021 20:46

@fountaining The OP specifically asked what was wrong with the grammar!

MySocalledLoaf · 10/07/2021 20:48

The sentence isn’t parallel. Easiest fix is ‘They looked worried but I knew they weren’t’.

Fountaining · 10/07/2021 20:49

[quote Zerogravity]@fountaining The OP specifically asked what was wrong with the grammar![/quote]
Yes. What I’m saying is that, as this is presumably fiction, she needs to consider whether the non-standard grammar might be a deliberate choice, and whether it might actually work as part of characterisation.

youkiddingme · 10/07/2021 22:56

@MySocalledLoaf

The sentence isn’t parallel. Easiest fix is ‘They looked worried but I knew they weren’t’.
Parallel. I think that's what I'm looking for. Thank you.

Does, 'Non-parallel verb-forms in comparative clauses' sound like the problem?

I can easily find fixes, and take into account the context of the usage, I just want to nail the grammar for my own notes. I like to keep a small folder of tricky little bits and pieces for future reference.

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youkiddingme · 10/07/2021 23:13

@HmmmmmmInteresting

Is it not 'looks of worry on their faces' or 'a look of worry on their faces'?
Urgh, they both sound wrong. I hadn't even considered that part. I'd just run from the sentence and rework it totally if I was writing it but now I'll have to ponder that.
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SummeHoliday · 10/07/2021 23:41

The sentence mixes singular and plural. They didn't have one look of worry - multiple people and multiple faces.

They (pl) had a look (s) of worry on their (pl) faces (pl)

They had looks of worry on their faces

It's still a bit odd and clunky but grammatical correct Smile

youkiddingme · 11/07/2021 23:16

@SummeHoliday

The sentence mixes singular and plural. They didn't have one look of worry - multiple people and multiple faces.

They (pl) had a look (s) of worry on their (pl) faces (pl)

They had looks of worry on their faces

It's still a bit odd and clunky but grammatical correct Smile

thanks
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NotJustAnyOldDog · 11/07/2021 23:23

"They had a look of worry on their faces, but I knew that they weren't."