Election 2024 . Not that one, though the Trump victory is sure to influence some of what we are threatened and promised. presumably we'll have a date soon.

[DeanElderberry]

Any wise thoughts?

😲😲😲 Is this on their election marketing leaflets? 🤔 When the world is turning a corner against this batshittery & bolloxology minority parties like these try to double down their efforts. You are 1000% correct @MarieDeGournay that the lgb need to seperate & break away from the tq...

Aontu have said that they won't go into government with FG. They seem to be open to FF and SF. But FG and FF seem to be the most likely coalition which means the most likely junior partner will be Social Democrats or Labour. Both fully signed up members of the Trans cult, as are SF.
PBP are even worse.
FF and FG have shown themselves to be enthusiastic cheerleaders of the cult and Hate Speech is high on the agenda if they get in.
Ireland is scr*we'd no matter which combination of parties gets in.

So far, there's nothing about 'transgender' on any actual leaflets-through-the-letterbox, Trumped, and both SF and PBP appear to have removed gender policy from their websites.

The pro-trans stuff I found on the SD website was on PDFs under headings like 'Other Policies' - whether they are intentionally keeping it or haven't got around to removing it or forgot it was there, I don't know.

You're right that all the parties were enthusiastic cheerleaders for gender legislation in the past. This time round, though, the FF, FG and Labour canvassers who've called were all very open to my call to repeal GRA and restore the word 'sex' to equality legislation to give women back legal protection.

In previous years I'd have got pushback about 'inclusivity' 'kindness' 'most oppressed minorities' etc, but this time even the Labour canvassers had a very different attitude. It really felt like the message is getting through, the referendum results helped some parties 'see the light'.

I'll have a look at the FF, FG and Labour websites to see what policies they have up there.

That's encouraging. If sex is introduced to the Equality Act it would be a huge step forward, though I don't think I can ever forgive them for the gaslighting they have done since 2015.
PBP are some of the most ardant proponents of Trans ideology in politics. PM has the trans flag in his X bio, and, as he decided to keep his newborn gender neutral, I would suspect he would be looking towards Germany, where parents decide from birth what their child's gender is, as a shining example of the way forward.

Right, I've been doing some digging on FG, FF and Labour. I think it's fair to say that none of them are bigging up trans rights/genderwoo on their main websites, but I dug a bit deeper:

Fine Gael
Nothing transgender-related on the main FG website, but I found this:
FGLGBTQMarch23.pdf
Very detailed, but fairly bland, it mostly about 'LGBTQ equality' under various headings, with 'transgender' added to the list but not dealt with separately, except under Healthcare. Mostly refers to homophobia, 'transphobic' only appears a few times.

Fianna Fáil
No mention of transgender on Fianna Fáil's main website, and it doesn't appear at all in 'Our Priorities'.
Fianna Fail has this LBGTI+ page:
LGBTQI+ Network
but there are only a few sentences about equality, most of it is jolly photos of people at Pride events. As far as I can see, NONE of the many photos show a trans flag or a 'Progress' flag, which is either an intentional omission of transgenderism, or they haven't updated the photos on the page since before the arrival of genderwoo!

Labour Party
There's nothing specific on the main page, and searching for 'transgender' just came up with a few worthy speeches at events.
HOWEVER - this is really annoying! when I clicked on their WOMENS HEALTH policy, [missing the apostrophe, that's the pedantry vote lost, lads!]
it links to a 'WOMEN'S MANIFESTO',
LabWomenManifesto
which they have renamed Women's Health on the main page - presumably 'Women's Manifesto' was too feminist...

There's a whole section on transgender healthcare - yes, in the Women's Manifesto😠, and a section just headed ' 'LGBT+' which includes the boast that

Gender Recognition Act 2015: Labour in Government brought through this law that allowed transgender people to be formally recognised in their preferred gender for all purposes by the State for the first time

And this is in their WOMEN'S manifesto?! Cognitive dissonance or wha?

I wish I'd read all that before the Labour canvassers called to my door - but from their very open attitude, I have a suspicion that they hadn't read it either!

I genuinely wonder if the canvassers for any of the parties have delved into the more obscure sections of their party's policies, especially now that all? most?parties seem to be backpedalling on gender ideology.

As you say, Onehorsetown, a tiny ray of hope, possibly, maybe....??

Labour are the party of Bernie Linnane and Annie Hoey, both very vocal on trans rights. Aodhan O'Riordan has had a bizarre obsession with single sex schools for years.
Ivana Bacik has been a huge disappointment for women.
But Labour are the preferred party for a FF/FG coalition so we can expect more along the lines of what we got from the Greens.

The thoughts of any of those junior parties is terrifying

I think a lot of independents will do well this election. I know my top vote will be going to an independent and I definitely won't be voting FF , FG or Greens or that bunch of loopers in PBP (honestly I think they are all taped in the head in that party)

Next up:
The Green Party
The Green Party manifesto
greenparty.ie/sites/default/files/2024-11/Manifesto GE 2024.pdf
only mentions 'transgender' once, and only in the context of 'Healthcare for a Diverse Population' including gay healthcare, migrant women's healthcare, and trans healthcare -
Our policy will be guided by the World Professional Association for Transgender Health
and there's been lots of criticism of WPATH on here, if anybody wants to follow that up.
So like the other parties, it certainly isn't mainstreaming anything trans in its GE campaigning.

However, it still has its 2017 policy document on its website:
Gender Recognition | Green Party
which is very detailed and full-on pro-trans, in ways which haven't aged well in the past 7 years, e.g. transwomen in women's prisons, which isn't going to go down well with anyone - not just us rights-hoarding dinosaurs - in light of the Barbie K situation.
They are either very committed, very honest or forgot they had this on their website...
The only nice thing I can say about it is that when they call for gender-neutral toilets, they explicitly say that these must not be disabled toilets re-labelled as gender neutral.
'This is to avoid the extension of rights to one group of people resulting in the diminution of the rights of others.'
And heavens, we can have that, can we?🙄

Aontú
#AontúAccountability - for some reason this is how the link to their website's homepage appears if you cut and paste it.

I gave up on trying to search the Aontú website as forensically as I did the other parties' websites. The 'manage cookies' box keeps popping up every time you select a different part of the website, no matter how many times you tick your choice, it just reappears again and again and again. The only way to be able to navigate the website properly is to automatically click on 'I ACCEPT'.

That's the Hobson's Choice of cookies options: you either accept our cookies, or you can't use our website properly.
It was like this last time I did this trawl of websites, and they obviously haven't fixed it.
So I can only say that alone amongst the parties they explicitly mention and criticise trans issues, by the looks of things mostly objecting to children being taught about transgenderism in schools. But then the cookies box popped up again 😠
If anybody wants to dig deeper and add something to this, feel free, and good luck with the cookies thing.

Is that all the main parties? I think it is.
I've just focused on the gender-related policies, obviously all the parties have some really good policies, and some really crap ones😉on other issues, and the shame of it all is that parties which might tick a lot of boxes on important issues like housing or climate change or health or integration or whatever, are also pro-extreme-gender-ideology. Voters in the UK and USA have faced that dilemma already, with contrasting results.

It's noticeable that all the main parties have downplayed their previous pro-trans policies, in some cases removing them entirely from their websites or only having them under 'other policies' as attached PDFs that you have to go looking for. I think they're getting the message...

I had a Labour TD canvassing last night. I brought up my concerns regarding Transgenderism & female spaces.. Labour are well & truely captured. Would not listen to my concerns, cut me off & used the cold as an excuse to move on.
Aontú & the Independents all the way.. Feeling so fed up, Labour were the first canvassers I have had & I am angry they were so condescending & dismissive of me.

Very disappointed in Labour @Trumped . I wonder what old heads like Pat Rabbitte really make of this crap. Perhaps they imagine it is an extension of gayness?

Linnane is stark staring bonkers. That's the kindest reading. Hoey is nice according to ppl I know who went to college with her. But she seems naive ....like she's doing SU politics still. Bacick should really know better though. Didn't she watch the disaster unfolding in the USA? It's a million houses we need , not a million inclusive toilet blocks ffs.

Yep @Abhannmor I wasn't going to vote for them anyway but I thought they could at least have listened to my concerns without the obvious superiority they felt. They both talked over me & said "you obviously won't be swayed", I said I won't as I believe in two sex Male & Female & I don't want males in my female only spaces no matter what they identify as.. Don't get me started on Linnane🙈

What combination of parties do posters here think would be the best of a bad bunch?

www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2024/1114/1480947-gerry-hutch-election/

He will be interesting. He has a lot of people in inner city still loyal. I think he is the Mary Lou's competition in North Inner City.

I don't think FF are as captured as we think.

MM is very much hold finger in the air and see what way wind is blowing.

I feel you are right. Probably a coalition between FF, Aontu and independents. Though there probably wouldn't be the numbers without another party.
I wouldn't trust FF though, they sold out on women without a second's hesitation, and will do so again depending on who they get into power with.
It would be interesting to see if the hate speech laws would proceed with FG out of the picture.

Aontú, Independent Ireland & independents all the way.

Peadar Toibín has said he won't enter a coalition with FF

I think he is open to FF and SF but not FG. I think most people don't see a huge difference between FG and FF and they are the most likely to form a coalition so it's a bit surprising to see him rule out FG.
History shows that the smaller coalition partner tends not to fare well for re-election so maybe he prefers to stay in opposition and build up the party profile.

https://x.com/Toibin1/status/1855623528290103505?t=w42IOZoFyPP6TMfbMWf26g&s=19

https://x.com/Toibin1/status/1856030973080605115?t=TC5qemRokcdp2pSz-Ish_A&s=19

I don't really understand his stance. He doesn't see much difference between the parties but has ruled out one.
It might be that FG are just a bit too woke to backtrack.

If I had to choose between the 2 big parties of FF or FG would go FF.

Can't stand either but FG are imo the worse of the 2.

I desperately want to see McEntee gone, the brief she has is just too important and she appears to have surrounded herself with incompetence and is not fit for the role. Not to mention her absolute lack of understanding between constitutional law v's statue law was a sight to behold during the referendum.

The fear of her getting another big ministry would be a huge factor for me.

It is very slim pickings out there, and I have zero belief in MM that he won't go back in government with FG.

He lied in 2020, nothing has changed. He will lie again

Sorry I thought it was FF.. I hope Aontú do really well

Absolutely agree with you on this. I do feel FF are more conservative & centred than FG. They were pulled to the left completely by the Greens. I would love to see McEntee gone, I can't see her being voted in again in Meath.
I would love to see Norma Foley gone, secondary schools have gone far too woke for my liking. Schools should go back to being about academics.

@Trumped

I can completely see her getting back in, now that Thornton Hall has been blocked by the courts, she will ride that coattail.