Why isn't anyone discussing Coolock

[Pennyswimsplash]

Just that really, with all the going ons why isn't it being discussed as a topic?

@Pennyswimsplash I was unfortunate enough to be born in Coolock. I am mortified by the antics but not surprised it was an absolute abysmal place. I escaped while others attended the finishing school of the joy.

I would love to see a piece done on how many of the "protesters" had criminal convictions. The pure nonsense in the SM is hilarious, mind you it clearly shows the educational challenges by the lack of ability to actually write one sentence.

The person who committed the attack was here decades and had a long history of severe mental health issues. So that's more than likely on our pitiful mental health system rather than where he came from decades ago. You may have noticed the case this week of our own home grown attacker, sadly that victim didn't make it. Thanks to another immigrant that little girl is alive and hopefully soon home.

The absolute irony is the immigrants are here to be educated and work. There are tens of thousands in the health and service industries. And we need them.

No it's not it's a basic governance of a constitutional country to protect the government from anarchy.

I live in an actual small town in the West of Ireland, we have a noticeable amount of asylum seekers here. I have a workmate who is always droning on about it. I don't get it. They have been here maybe 9 months/a year As far as I am aware in that time there has been no trouble at all, no increase in crime, no men behaving badly, I have never felt uncomfortable around the men, never felt threatened. It's a complete non issue to me, they live their lives which as far as I can see seems to involve shopping in aldi and walking in the park and I live mine which is pretty similar. I say hi when I pass them like I do everyone else and they say hi back(like I said small town).

I refuse to judge them on what might happen, it's not fair. What's happening in Coolock is a disgrace, I'd far rather like with the asylum seekers in my town than those gobshites.

Why isn't anyone discussing Coolock, you ask? Because there's little or no point when you get statements like this:

'There's never a sniff of a similar set up in the salubrious suburbs of any city or town in Ireland. That's because the residents wouldn't have it, but have money and access to the cost of taking out injunctions, and are connected with many in Government so don't have to resort to marching and bringing attention to themselves.
You only have to read what Hazel Chu former Mayor of Dublin had to say about the fact that the tents were removed from her area. Not suitable for her area. Indeed but alright for everywhere else it seems. Can you see why there is anger?'

This is wrong, has been proven wrong on this very thread, but it here it comes again.. and again... and again.
Not only is there a 'sniff of a similar set up in the salubrious suburbs', there are active occupied centres in 'salubrious suburbs' of Dublin, such as Blackrock, Dun Laoghaire and Ballyogan. The residents of 'salubrious' D4 have been campaigning for ages FOR the empty Baggot St hospital to be converted into refugee accommodation.

(My late parents were born in Baggot St hospital, and I know that they would have loved to see it repurposed to house asylum seekers - I know that because they were decent hard-working people who brought their children up to respect people regardless of race or religion, and they taught us to help those in need, having experienced hard times themselves. I'm glad they're not around to see the meanness, violence and racism that is disfiguring their city.)

I have posted here previously what Hazel Chu actually said about people living in unsafe hygienic and inhumane conditions in tents by the canal in 'salubrious' D4 - unsurprisingly, she wanted the people in the tents to be moved somewhere safer and more humane for their sakes.

I lived in England for years, and came across many unvetted Irish economic migrants living off the dole and any other benefits they could lay their hands on.
They did not have the same religion or culture as the majority of the population, and most of them did nothing to integrate socially or culturally. Sounds familiar, doesn't it? But they were Irish so it doesn't count.

What's the point in attempting a discussion when the same disproven points keep reappearing? It's like talking to the wall. A wall with racist graffiti on it.

MarieDeGournay

Why would an 'Irish economic migrant' leave Ireland, with it's generous unemployment benefit system, to come to England with the sole purpose of 'living off the dole'?

In what way is their religion and culture different to the majority of the population of the UK?

Most of them did nothing to integrate socially or culturally? How would they have to change their culture?

'But they were Irish so it doesn't count'. This statement is mad. There were marches in the North of England where people had banners saying 'Irish out'.

Historically, Irish weren't welcome when they arrived, in UK or US, but they worked hard, educated their children and they very much did integrate. And England's fairly recent history with the Irish people doesn't make for good reading, maybe the Irish people you knew in England were bitter about that.

Anyway, the people protesting in Coolock, Dundalk, Limerick etc. aren't the same people who you knew in England, so I don't know why you're using them as a reason to criticise the people protesting. Do you think they should consider that a couple of their friends old uncles were on the dole in England once, so they shouldn't mind what's happening in their own town. It's difficult to believe an Irish person wrote your post tbh - you don't need to criticise a whole nation because a few hundred are doing something you don't agree with.

The absolute irony is the immigrants are here to be educated and work. There are tens of thousands in the health and service industries. And we need them.

Visa approved immigrants are needed, i.e. those who pay through the nose for their visa applications and are granted one if they meet the criteria.

IPAS are (according to reports, some from Government) are 80% dodgy, so many are economic migrants, not those fleeing persecution etc.

Those 80% could apply for a visa. Why don't they?

Ireland definitely needs certain skilled migrants, that's what work visas are for.

The conflation of legal visa approved migration and chancers under the IPAS system is something that people need to be aware of. The media pushes ALL migration under the same banner. It is not the same. At all.

'It's difficult to believe an Irish person wrote your post tbh '
Is Eireannach mé, a SidekickSylvia, céad faoin gcéad. Lig dom é a chruthú duit 'i dteanga bhinn na Fódla'!

' you don't need to criticise a whole nation because a few hundred are doing something you don't agree with.'
Ach is sin díreach atá á dhéanamh ag lucht 'Smellbags Out' - tá siad ag cáineadh iomláine na n-iarrthóirí tearmainn mar tá roinnt acu 'doing something you don't agree with' - nó b'fhéidir go bhfuil siad.

Ní raibh mé ag cáineadh na hÉireannaigh sa Bhreatain go léir, ach is fíor a rá go raibh 'bad apples' ina measc, mar an gcéanna le lucht iarrthóirí tearmainn i Coolock nó Dun Laoghaire nó aon áit eile. Ba chóir dúinn cothrom na Féinne a thabhairt do chách, ní amháin do mhuintir na hÉireann.

'In what way is their religion and culture different to the majority of the population of the UK?' - an bhfuil tú i ndáiríre? Nach dtuigeann tú go bhfuil difríocht suntasach idir cultúr na hÉireann agus cultúr na Breataine, agus idir Caitliceachas agus Protastúnachas? An raibh tú i do chónaí sa Bhreatain riamh?

Is that Irish enough?

You do realise it costs money to apply and the process can take a year or more?

I don't know how long it takes in Ireland, but there is a charge and a process for work (and tourist) visa applications all over the world.

Again, why do IPAS not apply for a work visa? Maybe they are here for the goodies, and the ability to work visa free after 6 months as asylum seekers. Is that fair and just? I'd imagine it must make those who go through the visa process very miffed.

The pull factors are huge in Ireland for IPAS applicants. Maybe that's what needs to be addressed. Denmark has no problem with disincentives, yep EU member and all, but they know the way the wind is blowing.

There was a Polish MEP who made a speech directed at Ursula VD Leyen the other day. She let her have it with both barrells and is probably saying out loud what a lot of her MEP colleagues are thinking. And yes, I know this MEP is right wing. The Right is on the rise throughout Europe which is worrying, but not addressing the unmanageable influx is fuelling the Right wing big time, as we have seen in France, Italy, Poland and elsewhere. Sends a shiver down my back TBH. But nothing is done to counterract it.

EU: "You should be in jail" - Who is the Polish MEP who "attacked" von der Leyen - ProtoThema English

It can take years. What happens elsewhere is irrelevant. To secure a visa to work takes a significant amount of money, time, language skills, and a patience for Irish bureaucracy. It involves clarification from countries at war, so generally getting the documentation requires support. Support we don't have in place.

There are Syrian refugees here twenty years qualified in professional jobs who only now can apply to work. Our approach has been improving. We support on arrival with language skills, access to education to help people work towards integration and employment. There are wonderful projects nationwide where communities are actively engaging in integration, these don't make the news.

Hell the system for people who are employed and non IPA status involves significant money, queuing for half a day and the patience of a Saint. I watched a close family member spend days queuing for her stamp to continue to remain here to lok after our most vulnerable citizens.

Ireland needs to improve it's processing and ensure as many IPAs have access to education and or work as soon as possible. This will support more positive view of their status.

Ive lived in England and thre is very little difference if any to myself and my English counterparts - other than my interest in GAA and to be fair many non Irish are now playing Gaelic and very well too in England.

The Irish integrated very well into England and beyond - its fair to say the Irish are loved the world over. We can not compare Irish people working and living in England and beyond who in the main worked very hard. The Irish men built Englands roads, motorways and houses - they worked for every penny they got in the main, yes there would be the odd lazy Irish person who was happy to claim the dole but in the main, the Irish worked hard, they made great friends where ever they went world wide - these male economic migrants who come to Ireland - what do they want? they have passed through many safe country to reach here or Britain and enter illegally and have no intention of working or intergrating - look at the state of English towns and cities. Yes we all accept that not ALL of these African immigrants are sexually / violently deviant towards women and children but many many are.

Do you really want Ireland turning into an Islamic country because that this the way we are headed and making the fat cats richer who are creaming it in from this mass migration whilst the majority are expected to shut up and put up and are cited as being racist.

I for one am delighted that there are communities coming together to stop this and I am not alone - the majority of Irish people have had enough.

I just heard Denmark confiscates IPA's property when they arrive. Proper order. They have taken a few sensible measures to just slow down the influx of applicants. If you're genuinely in fear of your life, you'd agree to the measures.

A bit of anarchy might be what saves us.

This. 100 percent.

'its fair to say the Irish are loved the world over.'
No we're not.

Do you really want Ireland turning into an Islamic country because that this the way we are headed
No it's not.

very little difference if any to myself and my English counterparts
So why the 'No Blacks No Irish' signs in the not-so-distant past, if there was little or no difference between the English and the Irish? How could they tell we were Irish if we're so similar? How do you explain our brutal history if there was so little difference between the Irish and the English? I always found I had more in common with my Asian or African colleagues and neighbours, who had a similar historical experience of colonisation by the British.

look at the state of English towns and cities.
I have. Good and bad bits, like everywhere.

have no intention of working or intergrating
How do you know? We have a shortfall of over 50,000 workers in the construction industry here. They might end up like the Irish economic migrants who, as you say 'built Englands roads, motorways and houses', solving the labour shortage that is one of the big problems in the Irish economy.
There's lots of jobs to go around, and not enough people to do them.

There's a need to monitor and clamp down on extreme right wing agitators who infiltrate certain communities with hateful rhetoric. Inciting anarchy and violence.

Nuanced debate around the subject of how best to help desperate people seeking sanctuary and also helping people who come, to work and live, should definitely happen.
The benefits of muti culturism is huge and to be encouraged.

And problems with housing etc is s seperate issue that's been neglected by successive goverments over many, many years.

I'd like to see well thought out policies and solutions being presented to deal with problems around the infrastructure throughout the country.

No scapegoating but proper critical thinking needed.

While the number of asylum seekers has reached record levels the number of gardai in the national immigration bureau has dropped. No sign of things improving then.

The gardai have confirmed that there is no recent increase in crime. This is a myth.

Kenya is not on the safe counties list (which is beside the point really)

The authorities knew that, that murdered man was from Kenya (and that he had lied) when they accessed his case. He was given permission to stay because he was a father of an Irish child. Lots to give out about here without resorting to misinformation!

70% of asylum seekers cases were rejected last year after checks - so there are indeed throughout checks.

There is near full employment in Ireland and many places are struggling to find staff.

Ireland is one of the richest counties in the world. If people are fleeing war or persecution- which country should they go to?

Your post is full of lies and misinformation.
With climate change and conflict on the rise , people will keep coming. I don’t know what the answer is on the housing front but I know it’s not attacking the gardai and setting fire to buildings.

@halava IPAS are (according to reports, some from Government) are 80% dodgy, so many are economic migrants, not those fleeing persecution etc.
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Those 80% could apply for a visa. Why don't they?

It’s a leap from “economic migrant” to “dodgy” . Many do seem to be economic migrants , they want to come here to work and have a better life. They won’t get refugee status and will be sent home or will flee and try their chances in the uk. I don’t know how that makes them dodgy.

It’s difficult to apply for visas when you are from certain counties. People leaving from many of these counties have no legal routes to Europe. It would be much preferable to come on a visa than get stuck in the IPAS system. it would be a dream for them.