Referendum!

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Anyone inclined to give an opinion? I am leaning towards a yes/no vote, the yes to remove what I see as sexist language in the constitution, the no because the government are so appalling in terms of providing services and rights to disabled citizens and I feel the clause is paternalistic and pushes care on families yet again

Everyone seems to see what they want to see in this according to their own lived experience and own personal views, myself included!

That's the problem Fuzzy. It can mean anything or nothing which suits the government just fine because they don't have to take responsibility for anything thing but they can strive to do so

People have durable relationships with their pets. Is that equal to marriage now?!

Peadar Tóibín & the Independents have been the only credible, proper opposition.

I think SF are thinking it won't pass so don't want to be associated with the losing side even though they advocated for yes /yes despite having serious concerns re the language. On that basis & as the main opposition party they should have lobbied for No/No but decided to virtue signal instead despite their "reservations" on the language.

It is if you 'strive' hard enough 😂

Interestingly, the Irish version of the constitution uses the word "teaghlach" which is more family living in the same household than home. And the Irish version trumps the English translation if there is any discrepancy. A more accurate translation would be “the State recognises that by her life within the family, woman gives to the State a support without which the common good cannot be achieved”.

https://twitter.com/DrHaroldNews/status/1765811374108618929?t=rMJYcybZMTOZRHaGuQ-idQ&s=19
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I don't know about anyone else but I'm have a nice glass of wine, I'm on edge now😭

https://x.com/WomensSpaceIre/status/1765412783481376996?s=20

The claim of removing something sexist is spurious. Add father to this, and rectify the hundred+ omissions of women/female/daughter/her? Now that would be more sensible.

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Insane! Exactly I can't understand why guardians & fathers can't be added sure that's everyone covered & equal.

Fathers, guardians, single parents.

Don't mind adding where indicated, but also don't want the singular contribution of the physical act of motherhood to be diminished, such as the recent abandoned attempt in the Netherlands to remove the word mother from population registries and replace it with “parent from whom the child was born.” Coupled with moves in many EU countries promoting surrogacy, I can't not see it as more erasure.

https://nltimes.nl/2024/03/04/minister-quickly-halts-unnecessary-plan-drop-word-mother-national-registry

Also, changing 41.2 may give warm progressive feels, but doesn't alter the fact that duties in the home are still overwhelmingly done by mothers, working outside the home or not.

Duties in the home are still overwhelmingly done by mothers, working outside the home or not.

I said this to my DD. I felt the generation gap between us tonight.

That sounds so clinical & cold, glad it was abandoned.

The article that the state will support and defend marriage will still be in the constitution

I’m voting yes no

Just pondering here over the published Attorney Generals advice that the Ditch shared tonight.

Should the whole election not be thrown out on the basis that Roderic O Gorman & the government withheld vital information from the electorate & taxpayers?
This is very serious. The Attorney Generals advice is what we should all be heeding in our vote yet it was withheld. Surely the election should be null & void?

No problem - basically lawyer up peasants!

Regardless of whether the care referendum passes or doesn't.

This time next year carers will still be leading for services and support

Only then there will be election campaigning and they will promise the earth, moon and stars

The sad reality is carers and people with disabilities still won't be seen.

They’re exempt but tbh if the ditch has had it for a while it’s annoying they released it too late for it to be on broadcast media as it could really swing things

Won't be thrown out, he asked for advice got it , didn't like what he heard , so tried to bury it.

The problem is this change will stay for the rest of my life time anyway.

And maybe others on this thread depending on ages

Why exactly is this referendum needed??? No clear answer on that
I just feel is this joke tomorrow to please their eu masters??? I just cant trust anything said by varadkar et al BUT met someone today in their late 60"s voting yes because its what they govt are advocating

But could it not be thrown out on the basis that he refused to release information that the public need to know to make a legitimate, knowledgeable decision? All the govt were in on it.

I wish the Ditch had released a day or two early in time for the life debates.

I'm 44 it will be here for my lifetime too, I have three young daughters, I shudder & fear for what life will be like for them in the years to come.

And at a cost of 23 million @Radyward ... Look at the cuts they are making to SEN education in primary schools. It's disgraceful.

It doesn't surprise me if a lot of elderly vote yes, it has been installed in them listen to, church, police, government