Referendum!

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Anyone inclined to give an opinion? I am leaning towards a yes/no vote, the yes to remove what I see as sexist language in the constitution, the no because the government are so appalling in terms of providing services and rights to disabled citizens and I feel the clause is paternalistic and pushes care on families yet again

What do the comments say @VoteNONO?

@JaneJeffer basically how dare she use a picture & death of beautiful Savid to further their agenda.
Read the comments plenty underneath the tweet.

https://twitter.com/TheCountessIE/status/1765359046779871560

Excellent tweet from The Countess outling durable relationships in a nutshell 👏

Thanks - I'm not on X so I can't see the comments

@JaneJeffer

@JaneJeffer I have just screenshot some of the comments for you. A disgusting, despicable tweet from the Yes side.

I just googled Bernie Linnane because I know nothing about her and this is part of her bio:
"I am mother to a young woman and wife to a middle-aged man."
🤔

Thanks @VoteNONO looks like she has been hoisted by her own petard!

@JaneJeffer What a horrific tweet though & an image of poor Savida accompanying it to try & push her agenda.

I would consider her to be a far left version of the Iona Institute, I think, very extreme in her views and very intolerant of differing opinions.
But the use of Savita's death has even alienated some of her own supporters.

I couldn't believe what I read in that tweet & that she used poor Savida's image. She quite rightfully didn't get one comment of support.
The yes side having been scoring quite a few own goals the past couple of days but Bernie Linnanes was just disgraceful & completely uncalled for.

She blocks people a lot on X, if I remember correctly?

Slightly off topic but has anyone come across any child friendly information re the referendum for under 10s?

My dds have been asking plenty, their school is closed for voting & they'll need to come with me to cast mine.

I want to answer them in a child friendly (unbiased!!) way but can't quite get my wording right, a bit like the government! Any links would be appreciated. Tks

At the very least, get Savita's name right if you're going to be citing her in this.

I don't think the under 10's need bother themselves with referendums!

Merriam Webster:

fundamentalism
noun
fun·da·men·tal·ism ˌfən-də-ˈmen-tə-ˌli-zəm
1 a often capitalized : a movement in 20th century Protestantism emphasizing the literally interpreted Bible as fundamental to Christian life and teaching
b: the beliefs of this movement
c: adherence to such beliefs
a minister noted for his strict fundamentalism
2: a movement or attitude stressing strict and literal adherence to a set of basic principles
Islamic fundamentalism
political fundamentalism

Or Cambridge Dictionary:
fundamentalist
noun [ C ] RELIGION

someone who believes in traditional forms of a religion, or believes that what is written in a holy book, such as the Christian Bible, is completely true:

I am using fundamentalist in the second sense of the MW definition or the Cambridge one so yeah, by the dictionary definition of the word, you can be a fundamentalist catholic.

They are asking what it's all about & I want to give them some type of answer but can't find the right words!

That is exactly my dilemma. The fact the NWCI are advocating a yes, yes vote is equally concerning as they are anti-women in their current stance on trans rights.

Apologies @DanielGault it was a typo on my phone. I am well aware it is Savita, thanks for bringing to my attention so I can edit.

Hopefully you agree that Bernie Linnane was bang out of order for her utterly inappropriate, disgusting tweet.

it is mainly optics. It think though it is indicative of a mindset from de Velara's Ireland and removing it is a statement that this attitude is not acceptable any more.

Yes that's the very one. Anyone who queries "what is a woman" gets the chop. She is extremely pro trans & very anti women as her tweet depicting poor Savita proves.

That is my dilemma. However, it has impacted women in the past (the marriage ban was possible because of these attitudes). As more anti-women sentiments return, could we be back there again? Look at Afghanistan, western countries trying to revoke abortion rights etc.

As I said, I need to reflect and make the decision I believe is right.

The marriage ban pre-dated the Constitution @OchonAgusOchonOh, and was abolished without making any change to the Constitution. Whatever about attitudes, the wording of the Constitution was not responsible for the marriage ban.

As I said, I need to reflect and make the decision I believe is right.
Absolutely. I shouldn't have put pressure on you, sorry. Just worried.

We shall have agree to disagree (should I choose to disagree). The lack of respectful debate these days is depressing. We are totally entitled to different points of view. You don't need to 'hope' anything about my views, other than that they're well considered. That's the extent of it.

She's one of the Mammies for Munchausen's wans, isn't she? If she gets her way, they'll need a rename as Parents for Munchausen's, I suppose. Different name, same gang.