Transgender women banned for female athletics events. GAA take note & follow suit.

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https://news.sky.com/story/world-athletics-to-exclude-transgender-women-from-female-events-12840265

Yes, that could be one solution worth exploring

Are there other solutions? I can’t think of any. In sport (as with everything ) there 2 sex based categories - male and female. If a man (and it’s usually a man) believes they don’t fit into one of those 2 categories then a third category should be created - no messing about with hormones. Women have the right to compete against other women, and not against men who have taken a pill or had an injection.

I do think that transpeople shouldn't be excluded from sport. It was the wrong decision to allow them to compete with women, but taking hormones may also mean TW are disadvantaged in their own biological sex category. And transmen taking hormones may be at an unfair advantage over those in their sex category? More research is needed and solutions that are fair for everyone are needed, but of course women should not be disadvantaged as they have been to date.

I don’t think anyone will disagree with this. I don’t understand what you mean by more research. There are 17 peer reviewed scientific robust studies that show a clear advantage to any man that has been through male puberty. An advantage that is not mitigated through hormone suppression later on. What more research is needed?

Now solutions need to be found which don’t shit all over women who want to compete fairly in sport, whether that is recreationally or as a paid career. It is pure discrimination against biologically born women. And until those solutions are found we shouldn’t be making women suffer.

I am also in the camp of saying that any sportsperson who decides to transition must consider many impacts on their life. That includes reproductive life, love life, personal life and yes - it will affect sporting life. It simply is not tenable that they are then allowed to impact other lives in such a material way.

@SirChenjins I don't know what the solution is. I haven't considered solutions in depth tbh. Maybe they will vary from sport to sport.

At the moment the science that I've read seems to indicate clearly that hormone use doesn't make TW eligible for women's sports. In that I disagree with the transgender scientist speaking on Morning Ireland, because she spoke of balancing inclusivity and fairless and I think that any compromise towards being inclusive in this way would be intrinsically unfair in competitive sport. Women's safety, on the field or track or in the dressing room, wasn't mentioned either iirc, so an omission there too. Athletics isn't a contact sport so different from something like rugby of course, but the dressing room issue stands.

However, I still think pp misrepresented the interview. And I think to misrepresent what's been said or what's happening actually weakens our position, makes it much easier to dismiss. And the truth of it is enough without any elaboration.

@Ndd135632 I agree with you, I was simply pointing out that I thought OP had misrepresented an interview. That's it.

I don't agree with you re making it easier to dismiss @AppleCharlottie . When interviews only feature the male view and don't give women their voice then hackles are raised - we're already witnessing the turning of the tide and I think that backlash will continue the more women are silenced.

I would like to see less anger and disappointment from the TRAs as they are excluded from the single-sex space they do not belong to and more proactivity from them in creating their own spaces in sport where they can compete fairly.

@SirChenjins that's entirely it. They are making no attempt to start trans sports leagues, lobbying for trans toilets, trans prisons... They are hell bent on muscling in on our sports & spaces. And easily succeeding.

@SirChenjins, I think we need to stick to the truth.

NB I am not saying that TW should be in women's sport. I am saying OP misrepresenting a TW's argument doesn’t help anyone. I understand very well that women are angry, we have good reason.

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/athletics/2022/03/24/sonia-osullivan-transgender-athletes-cannot-be-allowed-to-compete-in-womens-sport-1.4834586/

Excellent article here from Sonia O Sullivan.

Mic drop.

This article is so good, nothing else needs to be said.

They don't want any of those things because the validation they need for their identity is to use women's spaces, partake in women's sports and so on.

There's plenty of unisex toilets if they need to piss. And plenty of sports where it's mixed sex. The whole point of using women's spaces and services is to force people to acknowledge them as women. They want to be women, and insist on calling us Cis-women, the pronoun we never asked for, that we feel does not fit our identity, and continue to use it to describe women even when nicely asked not to. That way they are the main group, and we are the subset within.

What's ironic is that this push has such a bang of male entitlement off it, for all their attempts at passing, it's male privilege that gives them away every time.